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jim11662418

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I've recently acquired a vintage computer (specifically on Ohio Scientific C1P) that outputs composite video. Has anyone had success with adapters found on Amazon, eBay and other places that purport to convert composite video to VGA or HDMI? If not, what's an inexpensive way to display a composite video signal? I was sorely disappointed when my Dell 2007FP monitor (which has a composite video input) refused to have anything to do the video output from my C1P.
 
Do you need to go to thst length. tons of flat screens hsve composite input. my primary livingroom flatscreen does. if yours doesnt how about a trip to a couple thrift stores to peruse thier used flat screen tvs they usually sell for $15 to $25?
 
It's worth pointing out that the composite video out from many vintage computers only had a vague resemblance to the NTSC standard.
Many modern monitors have much tighter specs for horizontal and vertical sweep rates and will not lock if too far out of range.

Joe
 
It's worth pointing out that the composite video out from many vintage computers only had a vague resemblance to the NTSC standard.
Many modern monitors have much tighter specs for horizontal and vertical sweep rates and will not lock if too far out of range.

Joe
Its true. but if a 1977 Atari VCS can work on a modern composite input I figure most things from then and going forward will. Prior to that,, who knows.
 
It all depends upon which chipset is used within the monitor itself.

Some 'modern' chipsets still have support for legacy video modes. However, they are gradually being removed...

The manufacturers often do not mention these modes in their specifications either.

As previously stated, some if these vintage computers took major liberties with their interpretation of the video standard they used. Fine for older monitors, but with newer ones - buyer beware...

Dave
 
Some 'modern' chipsets still have support for legacy video modes. However, they are gradually being removed...
Right, so now is the time to buy slightly out of date flat panels which still have these inputs. years ago I had to stop collecting and repairing flat screens. But now my "herd" is running thin and I am picking up any older flat panels I find just for these purposes.

In my region you can find plenty of flat screen tvs with composite and occasionally a flat screen monitor with them as well.
 
...just 3 days ago, I picked up a Ventura 19" LCD PLV76198 for exactly US$ 12.39 at a "thrift" store....(BTW on that day, I spent $22 (including tip) on lunch for an excellent cheese-steak with fantastic fries and a drink).

I got it specifically for a PC XT project and I don't even have the guts of the project yet! I was able to power it up in the store and get to the menu. It definitely accepts a composite input and its manufacture date is 2008. I don't know if something like this will work for the OP, as has been mentioned, but...I was in the neighborhood and decided it was worth taking a risk.

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On the other hand, I also bought this lamp for $8.00, so you may be a bit wary of my "advice" :)
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...just 3 days ago, I picked up a Ventura 19" LCD PLV76198 for exactly US$ 12.39 at a "thrift" store....(BTW on that day, I spent $22 (including tip) on lunch for an excellent cheese-steak with fantastic fries and a drink).

I got it specifically for a PC XT project and I don't even have the guts of the project yet! I was able to power it up in the store and get to the menu. It definitely accepts a composite input and its manufacture date is 2008. I don't know if something like this will work for the OP, as has been mentioned, but...I was in the neighborhood and decided it was worth taking a risk.

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On the other hand, I also bought this lamp for $8.00, so you may be a bit wary of my "advice" :)
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Nice decision on lunch, terrible decision on the lamp. Its like something a dirt poor woman living off of social security would have had 35 years ago... Reminds me of homes I visited at the time.
 
Nice decision on lunch, terrible decision on the lamp. Its like something a dirt poor woman living off of social security would have had 35 years ago... Reminds me of homes I visited at the time.

yeah well, I'm hoping she'll give me a date if I fix it up real nice.
 
Has anyone had success with adapters found on Amazon, eBay and other places that purport to convert composite video to VGA or HDMI?

FWIW, I’ve had good luck with one of those super cheap square composite to HDMI adapters, like this one. The one I have is very tolerant of “not according to Hoyle“ signals including output from 70’s and 80’s computers and my own homebrew video projects. I actually use it instead of the built in composite input on a small 8” LCD monitor I bought for my testbench because the adapter works better with the “fake progressive” 60hz output you get from these things and old game consoles; the monitor’s built in scaler gives a shifty flicker that’s not there on the sub-$10 adapter.

You do need to set your expectations correctly, of course. With a mono signal I’ve gotten perfectly readable 64/80 column output, but technically the input sampling rate of these devices tops out too low to handle that perfectly.(*)

(* technically that’s going to apply to the input scaler of most TVs too. The industry standard digital sample rate for analog video is 13.5mhz, which is high enough to “perfectly” represent broadcast NTSC resolution, which effectively maxes out at 6mhz-ish. Computers using more than 40 column text are going to get some artifacts.)
 
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I have had terrible luck with those cheap adapters but have had great luck with these avermedia converters: https://www.ebay.com/itm/174963606343

If you want to connect an apple ii or c64 (or whatever obviously) to a DVI/HDMI or VGA equipped flat panel these work great and are cheap. As well as S-video and RGB using breakout cable included. JUST MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT PSU! Thats key they arent forgiving if you dont have the original PSU although I have found a couple online that work.
 
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I've seen them offered on the local CL. Also, what about the rear-view LCDs on the aftermarket kits? Seem to fed from coax+12V. But those are probably 720p nowadays.
 
I've seen them offered on the local CL.

They show up on eBay too, but that still doesn't make them particularly easy to actually lay hands on. They continued to make some using dinky 5" and 9" BW CRTs into the early 2000's, but the quality of those monitors is terrible. (Not talking about screen clarity, just basic manufacturing competence.) Some of those late ones also use odd wiring, like RJ-plugs carrying video from the cameras, and I'm not sure if those units would be straightforward to adopt to normal composite input.

I confess to not knowing enough about security camera systems, but would this cheap HF setup be capable?

It's not hard to get a cheap "modern" LCD monitor that takes composite input. For instance, these little 8" 4x3 aspect ratio panels with a native 1024x768 resolution have VGA, HDMI, RCA composite and BNC on them, and if you look around you can get them substantially cheaper than this Amazon listing. (I think I paid $40 for mine.)

Again, the issue with these that I've found is that their built-in A/V scaler *hates* "240P" format video; they treat it like broken 480i and give you a flickery comb distortion. The same problem is present on a cheap bare LCD panel/scaler board combo I bought from AliExpress a few years ago, and I also have an older battery powered ATSC portable TV with composite inputs that likewise mangles non-interlaced input. If you're looking for a monitor that's just good enough to tell you if something "works" than, sure, these things will do that, but the quality is irredeemable if you actually want to use the thing. Which is why...

I have had terrible luck with those cheap adapters

I use one of those "cheap adapters" connected to the HDMI port of that little 8" monitor if I'm using it on the testbench, because they do a better job with 240P video.

In defense of those cheap adapters, here's a few ad-hoc shots I just took on my cluttered workbench. Here I've got one of those adapters connected to the DVI port of a 17" NEC monitor someone in the neighborhood left on the curb a few months ago. The adapter's set to output "720P" because "1080" is too high for this monitor to sync with. Here it is displaying 512x192 TRS-80 Model III-style text with a 12Mhz pixel clock generated by that breadboard in the background:

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The final output stage of that circuit is literally just a couple resistors mixing sync from an AVR pin with dots output from a 74LS166 shift register and a really crude 75ohm termination, IE, exactly the sort of quality you'd expect from a 1970's computer, and I'd say it looks pretty great all things considered.

I also hooked it up to a real 1970's computer, my basket case eBay'ed-out-of-a-storage-unit D-board-with-lots-of-hacks TRS-80 Model I:

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The news here isn't so great, as you can see the output is pretty noisy, but but in its defense the Model I is *notorious* for having lousy video output with extremely poor contrast and stability, and this particular example is far from the best you're going to find. And the output is perfectly usable.

(Kinda sad that my breadboard outclasses it this badly, honestly.)

Anyway, considering you can get one of these widgets for as low as $6 and most people are going to have an HDMI cable and a monitor they can use it with lying around I'd say the bang for the buck makes up for the quality. It should be more than good enough to see if the OP's Ohio Scientific C1P is at least capable of slinging letters up on a screen.
 
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I've tried four different adapters from Amazon (in the range of $10 to $40) without success. My Samsung 55" HDTV displays the composite video from my C1P, but these adapters choke on it. I'm on the lookout for an old 4:3 aspect ratio LCD TV.
 
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