I came across a compaq prolinea 5100e and need help. Before ibstart repairing/restoring i want to know if amyone has the recovery disk files or knows where to get them? Ive heard this era of compaq may have had a proprietary bios software that makes reinstalling generic windows a pain. Be a nice addition to the line up of retro machines if I can get it working. Thanks in advance.
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Help with old compaq
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Ok so quick update. I was able to make the needed setup and diag floppies. But the current install of dos is messed up so will need to try and reinstall once I find/make new 6.22 disks. Oddly cant find much info on google about this machine besides basic specs and it was sold mid 95. Anyone have any extensive knowledge on this style of compaq or is this one of those hated ones that people dont like talking about lol
SomeGuy
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Right, Compaqs of this era did not have a BIOS setup program in ROM like normal clones. Instead they ran a software based BIOS setup program from a hidden partition on the hard drive. This partition had to be set up and installed prior to the installation of the OS. An OS could run without this partition, but then it would be difficult or impossible to change the machine's settings. This made upgrading hard drives and deploying standardized images an extra headache.
Never made any sense why they chose to do it like that.
Never made any sense why they chose to do it like that.
Yea i found that out last night. I made the setup and diag floppies. So i take it I can delete the previous bios partition, create a new one, them format and reinstall a dos for a win95 os while using the setup and diag disks to make sure macjine settings take place? Seems almsot stupid to do it that way. This thing way differnet than my ibm.
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This takes me way back... Compaq business computers in the 90s were not very nice to set up, although they worked ok.
You could get 100, 120, 133, 166MMX, 200, 233, 266, 300 and 333MHz models (this was an era of rapid hardware development - you got whatever was the latest at the time).
The BIOS, as you've discovered, lived on a partition and came supplied on the hard drive. But, it could get deleted or corrupted, or you might upgrade the drive. So you'd have to reinstall it from floppies.
Once done, then you would normally install DOS with Windows 3.1, or Windows for Workgroups 3.11. I suppose you could install Windows 95, if the drivers could be found.
After this series, they moved on to the 350, 400, 450 and 500 MHz models which had the bios inbuilt in the conventional manner. These were exceptionally well-engineered, and can be expected to still work today.
You could get 100, 120, 133, 166MMX, 200, 233, 266, 300 and 333MHz models (this was an era of rapid hardware development - you got whatever was the latest at the time).
The BIOS, as you've discovered, lived on a partition and came supplied on the hard drive. But, it could get deleted or corrupted, or you might upgrade the drive. So you'd have to reinstall it from floppies.
Once done, then you would normally install DOS with Windows 3.1, or Windows for Workgroups 3.11. I suppose you could install Windows 95, if the drivers could be found.
After this series, they moved on to the 350, 400, 450 and 500 MHz models which had the bios inbuilt in the conventional manner. These were exceptionally well-engineered, and can be expected to still work today.
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T-R-A
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First read:
ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp1501-2000/sp1575.txt
Then download
ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softpaq/sp1501-2000/sp1575.exe
While the setup of older Compaq's is somewhat frustrating (especially so if you have a bad floppy drive), they tend to be some of the most durable old machines out there, once you get them going.
Alright new issue (of course lol)got it all running with partitions as they should, and got win95 osr2 installed....buuuttt i have issues. First cd rom only works when i use a slave/master ide cable, which works, but as soon as I plug cdrom into ide secondary...nothing, pc doesnt see it until I put them both on same channel. Its a creative quad speed that had a isa slot cdrom controller card but no combo of jumpers worked.
Second is I have a pci sound card but no drivers ive tried work with it, it's an ensoniq pci card but read creative sb will work but no nothing.
So my thought is to get a new ide cable (slave master style) and try an isa sound card since I know i have one that works in my ibm. Or is there something i havent tried? Ive used every creative driver I can find, as well as ensoniq ones, both floppy and cd, and no changes, no sound. It detects a pci audio device but no drivers can be found regardless of driver I have. And I hope its not the pci slot since i have a diamond vid card id love to pop in if I do go thr route of isa spund card.
Second is I have a pci sound card but no drivers ive tried work with it, it's an ensoniq pci card but read creative sb will work but no nothing.
So my thought is to get a new ide cable (slave master style) and try an isa sound card since I know i have one that works in my ibm. Or is there something i havent tried? Ive used every creative driver I can find, as well as ensoniq ones, both floppy and cd, and no changes, no sound. It detects a pci audio device but no drivers can be found regardless of driver I have. And I hope its not the pci slot since i have a diamond vid card id love to pop in if I do go thr route of isa spund card.
T-R-A
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What brand of CD drive is in the machine? If original compaq, then its likely failed
Its a creative quad speed....i think cd4000m? And I swapped with an 8x from my windows98 machine and same thing but creative responded in other pc, so i know it functions. I got it to work but i had to grab the 2 drive ribbon cable from another pc and have hdd be master, cd rom be slave on same ide channel on riser board....and still works when cdrom set to master and hdd to slave on shared cable. Then it works but cant assemble pc like that, and if fails to detect even in dos mode when I revert it back to have cdrom connect to the isa controller card (creative branded) and also fails when I connect cdrom to a secondary ide channel connector.
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I was going to mention the IDE issue with those computers, but you've already found it for yourself. There's a hardware design defect where if you put the HD as Primary Master, and the CD as Secondary Master, it won't boot. You have to put the CD as Secondary Slave. I can't remember if CD on Primary Slave works.... too long ago.
The later Compaqs (450, 500MHz as referenced above) always used Cable Select for all the drives, and obviously the special Cable Select cables. It could be the solution with your older model too. Cable Select cables can be identified because they show which plug is used for Drive 0, Drive 1, and System (meaning the motherboard). Normal Master/Slave cables have no markings.
The later Compaqs (450, 500MHz as referenced above) always used Cable Select for all the drives, and obviously the special Cable Select cables. It could be the solution with your older model too. Cable Select cables can be identified because they show which plug is used for Drive 0, Drive 1, and System (meaning the motherboard). Normal Master/Slave cables have no markings.
Ok so im not crazy...there is something hardware wise. Ok so if I take a generic ribbon cable and plug cdrom into ide channel 2, set cdrom jumper to slave, hard drive on ide channel 1 and set to master? I thought i tried that but...now that I think about it there is no jumper on the hard drive. Just the six pins. So should I put a jumper on the master pins and try it? I never thought about it till now but yea i never moved hdd jumper casue there was none. I'll try that tonight and see if that works. If not I'll go with my original idea of usong the dual drive ide cable and make it work that way.
Not the way i was hoping. I had to remove drive and set them up out of bays with the master/slave (cable select style or whatever its called) and cd rom detects and functions, with cdrom jumper set to select. I have no spare jumpers so got some ordered to put on hard drive as master so I can try seperate ide cables. So the pc no able to be fully assembled but can at least use cdrom. When i put cd rom on a sperate ide channel it wont detect it regardless of jumper setting on drive, so I think your right that i need to have a jumper on hdd set to master on one channel and cdrom set to slave on secondary channel. I'll have to wait until my order of jumpers connectors come in to verify but till then the cable select method does work....even if ugly
Ok so got impatient and pulled my win98 pc apart for jumpers to test. And NO combination of jumpers or cable let it work except for cable select. And to top itnoff the cd drive gave out mid way so had to pull generic ide dvd drive to keep testing. But it works with cable select method so got a new longer cable and an extension coming to be able to hook both up in case. Will go check out my local scrap yard and see if I can find a beige cdrom to pop back in.
Interesting. At least you got it to work in the end.
Surprisingly. Once I get the cable and cd rom (or just might recolor dvdrom front panel lol) and get the cf to ide adapter I'll button it up and install win95. Ihave a sb pro compatible spund card and 4mb diamond stealth for upgrades and see what it can do.
I thought about that, but pc would be bare minimum for 98 (has a 100mz p1, 16mb ram, 1gb hdd) and honestly already have a win98se (with the unoffical service pack) and a dos/win3.1 pc (ibm 2133) so mainly just wanting a win95 as the mid way point for the nostalgia aspect. But yea win95 bit buggy and a pain since games are either dos based or 98 based with 95 support existing but have to use workarounds for certain games (daggerfall and arena) I have heard of an unoffical service pack for win95 I want to try out once I get a cf card of the right size. Its stable for now, but not throwing a lot of 95 era games at it all at once just in case.
T-R-A
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If you can find either, Win95 B &C (2.1/2.5) were far less problematic than the originals (95/95A).