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What is the oldest CPU (AMD or Intel) that will enable Windows 11 unofficially?

hunterjwizzard said:
Hard to tell. I think the windows 95 floppy disks are rarer today, but the CDrom was probably easier to use back then.
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Maybe... But I wouldnt put my faith on the condition of those disks today. Anyway It worked out well as I discovered the Weezer music video on the CD and blew my socks off.
 
hunterjwizzard said:
Hard to tell. I think the windows 95 floppy disks are rarer today, but the CDrom was probably easier to use back then.


Apparently I have 2 unusued floppy copies. One still shrink-wrapped. The other has a pretty beat-up box but I just opened it(for possibly the first time ever) and the disks are all sealed in plastic). How did I never use these?
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I have a set of WIN95 3.5 floppy's that will test your patience when installing. More ore less a 'collector item' although I don't collect.
 
hunterjwizzard said:
I've tried to get support but found it very severely lacking. The Internet always gives better answers.
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Worth noting that there's a tech-savvy factor involved here. Most people trying to get support from Microsoft probably just want to know how to set up a printer or how to solve an easy issue that any of us would not need to call for. The only time we're going to go to support is when the issue is something complex, increasing the chances that the rep won't know either.
 
3lectr1c said:
Worth noting that there's a tech-savvy factor involved here. Most people trying to get support from Microsoft probably just want to know how to set up a printer or how to solve an easy issue that any of us would not need to call for. The only time we're going to go to support is when the issue is something complex, increasing the chances that the rep won't know either.
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This may not be too far from the truth.
 
It probably just isn't worth it to Microsoft to pay for training of high-level techs like what you or I would need when calls needing that sort of help probably take up less than 1% of the calls they get.
 
MS used to have the high level techs over on the SQL Server side but about the only way to contact one was to play the switching to Oracle card.
 
h2ospa said:
Not allowing you to install, vs not getting support
I totally prefer the latter.
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I'll have to say that I can understand the desire for the former.

Oddball or too old hardware that the vendor isn't willing to do tech support for is definitely not going to get developer attention; you're definitely on your own if you run unsupportable hardware (unsupportable = hardware the vendor is either unwilling or unable (through lack of having any of that hardware for testing) to support).

But there are those who will ignore the 'supportable' list, install it anyway, then publicly gripe and complain about how terrible the product is. Easier for the vendor to reduce their supportable footprint. Thus Apple's move to their own silicon for Macs; believe it or not there are people who will do a hackintosh and then gripe that Apple won't support their macOS install..... If you can't install it you can't gripe about how badly it runs on unsupportable hardware......
 
lowen said:
I'll have to say that I can understand the desire for the former.

Oddball or too old hardware that the vendor isn't willing to do tech support for is definitely not going to get developer attention; you're definitely on your own if you run unsupportable hardware (unsupportable = hardware the vendor is either unwilling or unable (through lack of having any of that hardware for testing) to support).

But there are those who will ignore the 'supportable' list, install it anyway, then publicly gripe and complain about how terrible the product is. Easier for the vendor to reduce their supportable footprint. Thus Apple's move to their own silicon for Macs; believe it or not there are people who will do a hackintosh and then gripe that Apple won't support their macOS install..... If you can't install it you can't gripe about how badly it runs on unsupportable hardware......
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"Too old" is completely speculative and subjective. The majority of computers in my home were made in 2009 and suit all of our needs including streaming.. Im sure most of you drink the koolaide and think these sre outdated... They clearly arent... So therefore I disagree with this practice of forced obsolescence.
 
I’m not sure what 2009 computers you have, but my machines from that time are just *barely* passable for web browsing. They’re still usable, but very visibly outdated in their performance.
 
Typical core i5 and core i3 pcs. They browse the web perfectly. Seems your config or software is your bottleneck.

Im watching a youtube video in 1080 now and its perfect. Because after over 3 decades of running windows I know how to optimize a setup.

Unless your a gamer.. computers stopped progressing. There is very little reason to get new ones as they feel identical to the former.
 
For streaming its mainly the poor design of the streaming platforms that keeps old systems from playing. A cloud-based solution is SUPPOSED to be hardware and software agnostic. I should be able to point any PC with any web browser at Netflix and have it work. Instead they enforce stricter controls than Microsoft and sometimes even having chrome a few versions out of date will break the whole thing.
 
VERAULT said:
Typical core i5 and core i3 pcs. They browse the web perfectly. Seems your config or software is your bottleneck
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You must mean the very first generation of the i-Series then? Because the 2nd and 3rd gens that released a couple years after 2009 are far more usable still.
 
3lectr1c said:
You must mean the very first generation of the i-Series then? Because the 2nd and 3rd gens that released a couple years after 2009 are far more usable still.
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I've got tons of i3s and i5, though "usability" is heavily hampered by the 100% disk usage bug in win10. I'm in the process of converting one such system from 10 to server 2022 modified as a desktop OS(thank you Zare) which should give that machine another decade of life easy. 2022 so far as I can tell has everything 10 does, but no disk bug.
 
3lectr1c said:
You must mean the very first generation of the i-Series then? Because the 2nd and 3rd gens that released a couple years after 2009 are far more usable still.
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2nd gen on alot of them. Maybe newer than 2009. Memory gets foggy.
hunterjwizzard said:
I've got tons of i3s and i5, though "usability" is heavily hampered by the 100% disk usage bug in win10. I'm in the process of converting one such system from 10 to server 2022 modified as a desktop OS(thank you Zare) which should give that machine another decade of life easy. 2022 so far as I can tell has everything 10 does, but no disk bug.
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Well there you go windows 10. You crippled the machine when you loaded it.
 
Actually 10 ran great on it when I loaded it ~7 years ago. I crippled the machine by occasionally allowing windows updates to run, thus introducing additional bugs and flaws into an otherwise serviceable OS.
 
hunterjwizzard said:
I crippled the machine by occasionally allowing windows updates to run, thus introducing additional bugs and flaws into an otherwise serviceable OS.
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Ageed. Something else I never ever do.. thats why these older machines run so well for me. Updating "everything" rather than what you need to ALWAYS corrupts something or other.

I dont update anything and it runs as good as the day I installed it.
 
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hunterjwizzard said:
I've got tons of i3s and i5, though "usability" is heavily hampered by the 100% disk usage bug in win10. I'm in the process of converting one such system from 10 to server 2022 modified as a desktop OS(thank you Zare) which should give that machine another decade of life easy. 2022 so far as I can tell has everything 10 does, but no disk bug.
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Do you have a HDD or SDD? Using an SDD with 10 makes a world of difference .. like another machine even!
 
Yeah 2nd gen is still plenty, plenty usable. My Latitude E6420 with an SSD runs amazingly still on windows 7, modern internet runs fine. It’s got a quad core i7 in it, 2720QM is what id like to say it is.
 
3lectr1c said:
Yeah 2nd gen is still plenty, plenty usable. My Latitude E6420 with an SSD runs amazingly still on windows 7, modern internet runs fine. It’s got a quad core i7 in it, 2720QM is what id like to say it is.
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I use an old dell laptop still. Funny thing is the battery does not work on winxp or 10, but works great on 7. So thats its OS now and I go online with it and even use cloud chat systems without a care. Its excellent for my purposes.
 
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