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Need "Quad-Density" disks?

wiskow

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I've seen many, many posts on various forums and websites about how rare "quad-density" disks are. This name is a bit mis-leading, as they are actually Double-Sided, Double-Density, 96TPI, as opposed to the Double-Sided, Double-Density, 48TPI disks that most of us use with our vintage computers.

ANYWAY... I posted here a while ago about a company called Athana that still manufactures new 5.25" disks (and even 8" disks!). As it turns out, they even manufacture these supposedly rare DSDD 96TPI (or "quad density") disks! I have a Commodore SFD-1001 drive on its way to me, which is designed to be used with these disks, so I recently placed an order for a couple boxes of these disks, as well as some boxes of the 48TPI disks to replace aging ones I already own. Two days later, the disks arrived at my door! Granted, I live close to where the company is located, in the Los Angeles area, so it may take a day or two longer for others to receive their orders.

I just thought that owners of SFD-1001's or other drives that use these so-called "quad-density" disks would like to know that they're not so rare after all, and that there's still a company that's manufacturing them. For more info on just what varieties of disks they have, check out this page:
http://www.athana.com/html/diskette.html

For both 48TPI and 96TPI varieties of 5.25" disks, they charge $7.95 per box of 10 when you order 2-4 boxes. They give discounts for orders of 5 or more boxes. Their toll-free phone number is on the website, which is the best way to get more info on pricing.

-Andrew
 
Yep. For that matter, some IEEE drives such as 8050 and 8250 also work best with 96 tpi (sometimes referred to as 100 tpi, but as the drive only formats 77 tracks, I don't know the difference). I'm sure there are several other systems using the same type of disks. Personally, I picked up a 10 pack of lightly used 96 tpi floppies recently that will fit my needs.
 
So, what exactly is the difference between 96-tpi HD and 96-tpi quad density disks? FWIW, all of the quad density drives I've ever owned recommend using DD media, and I have had mixed results using HD media in such drives.

--T
 
DD media, independent if it is 48 or 96 tpi, has a coercivity of 300 Oe. HD media uses 600 Oe, thus requiring a stronger magnet to record onto it if I understood correctly.
 
DD media, independent if it is 48 or 96 tpi, has a coercivity of 300 Oe. HD media uses 600 Oe, thus requiring a stronger magnet to record onto it if I understood correctly.

Sounds good to me! ;-)

I just know that my Commodore drives don't like High Density (HD) disks. Not one bit!

-Andrew
 
I think high density disks are comparable to "metal" audio cassettes, where double density or quads are alike the standard type. I do seem to remember formatting HD disks as 360s back in the day, but maybe my memory is faulty. Yeah, I had no luck formatting HDs in my Tandy 2000, which calls for quads.
I don't think I've ever made much use of DDs w/my original 2000, but I had a friend who used to format regular DD's as 720k, and didn't have a problem...not at least over a span of months or whatever (and keep in mind those disks he was using were manufactured around that time. I wouldn't go entrusting valuable data to a NOS double density disk formatted form 720k. AAMOF, I wouldn't go entrusting valuable data to any NOS disk, regardless of what it's formatted to).
I don't think the term is misleading - "quads" hold twice the amount of data as double density disks. You double double and get quad.
 
The Commodore 8050 is a dual, single sided 100 tpi drive which formats 533,248 bytes per drive. It uses mechanisms by Micropolis or Tandon, of which the Tandon is six times faster in access times (says the reference manual).
 
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