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Funny to see how many people seem to hate ribbon. I must be one of the only people out there who like it!
No your not. I think us ribbon haters are the minority. I just dont get how you can change an ancient interface and its shortcuts overnight and have people go along with it without a choice.

Its one of the worst decision choices next to Ubuntu switching to Unity interface. But obviously much worse...
 
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If no one ever updated UI than we’d still all be using CPM/DOS style interfaces today. I just wish they’d give people the option to use whichever they prefer. Make ribbon the default to get most people to switch to it (which is what they want), sure. But give an option hidden away somewhere at least to change back to the old one.
 
No your not. I think us ribbon haters are the minority. I just dont get how you can change an ancient interface and its shortcuts overnight and have people go along with it without a choice.

Its one of the worse decision choices next to Ubuntu switching to Unity interface. But obviously much worse...
I think the people actively "like" it are the extreme minority, most silently put up with it because that is what work/school forces upon them or because they are too young to remember what a good UI looks like.

If no one ever updated UI than we’d still all be using CPM/DOS style interfaces today. I just wish they’d give people the option to use whichever they prefer. Make ribbon the default to get most people to switch to it (which is what they want), sure. But give an option hidden away somewhere at least to change back to the old one.
If they had done that people would OVERHWHELMINGLY have switched to the menus UI and the guy who wasted millions of dollars designing the ribbon interface would have looked really bad to his superiors.

Microsoft won't name the designer of the Ribbon UI because he would be dragged to the Hague and put on trial for crimes against humanity.
 
If they had done that people would OVERHWHELMINGLY have switched to the menus UI and the guy who wasted millions of dollars designing the ribbon interface would have looked really bad to his superiors
Maybe I’m wrong, but I disagree. What I’m specifically saying is that they should have added a toggle hidden away in some page of the settings menu - something you can only find if you were to spend some time scrolling through menus or if you looked it up. Not a case where they give you a popup on first launch.
I think in this scenario, people generally averse to change probably wouldn’t bother and would get used to it, maybe even come to like it. The ones who really just hated it would still be able to go back.
 
If no one ever updated UI than we’d still all be using CPM/DOS style interfaces today.
UIs hit perfection in the win98 era. Greyscale, menus, boxes, NO ANIMATIONS. Everything follows a clear and simple click and hover function. No mouse wheel. No gestures.

Every single thing since then has been measurably worse. The menu system is like the mouse trap, no ones ever been able to build a better one.
 
UIs hit perfection in the win98 era. Greyscale, menus, boxes, NO ANIMATIONS. Everything follows a clear and simple click and hover function. No mouse wheel. No gestures.

Every single thing since then has been measurably worse. The menu system is like the mouse trap, no ones ever been able to build a better one.
Or as was brought up. The command line (which is essentially why Linux is so awesome today).. It just works.. There is little overhead.. And you have to know what you are doing to make things happen... Which is a good thing.
 
@hunterjwizzard From a pure utilitarian functionally perspective, you’re probably right. I personally think Windows Vista/7 Aero is the peak of Microsoft UI design, but that’s just my opinion. It’s all about finding a balance between pure functionality vs. aesthetics. Different users will prefer different levels of each.
 
Maybe I’m wrong, but I disagree. What I’m specifically saying is that they should have added a toggle hidden away in some page of the settings menu - something you can only find if you were to spend some time scrolling through menus or if you looked it up.

If they had done that system admins would have found it during beta testing, locked it down via group policy, and deployed the old-style menu version to all users in the IT infrustructure.

Then everyone at work would want to know how they can get such a vastly-improved Office experience at home and googled it.

Very few people would ever have used the ribbon interface if given a choice.
 
From a pure utilitarian functionally perspective, you’re probably right. I personally think Windows Vista/7 Aero is the peak of UI design, but that’s just my opinion. It’s all about finding a balance between pure functionality vs. aesthetics. Different users will prefer different levels of each.
Windows XP hit me in the face with a baseball bat on how sluggish the interface and bloated it all was.. Had to really start turning things off and really changing registry values just to get it to a point i could tolerate (Yeah no nostalgia for XP, its the beginning of the end).
The peak of UI is Command line.. If you mean the peak of GUI.... Windows 2000.
 
Windows XP hit me in the face with a baseball bat on how sluggish the interface and bloated it all was.. Had to really start turning things off! (Yeah no nostalgia for XP, its the beginning of the end).
The peak of UI is Command line.. If you mean the peak of GUI.... Windows 2000.
You clearly seem to like the most lightweight experience and that’s valid - and I get not liking Luna. If you found it sluggish specifically though - what hardware were you running? XP has consistently been one of the snappiest and performant operating systems I’ve ever used.
 
Or as was brought up. The command line (which is essentially why Linux is so awesome today).. It just works.. There is little overhead.. And you have to know what you are doing to make things happen... Which is a good thing.
There's a lot of pros and cons on the CLI argument. Definitely it is superior in the technical space. But it hits a wall for the average user. The math works out that a typical user can easily memorize about 50 commands, but for the same effort can learn 500 menu/icon combos. CLI is awesome for people like us but not so great for our mothers.
 
Windows XP hit me in the face with a baseball bat on how sluggish the interface and bloated it all was.. Had to really start turning things off and really changing registry values just to get it to a point i could tolerate (Yeah no nostalgia for XP, its the beginning of the end).
The peak of UI is Command line.. If you mean the peak of GUI.... Windows 2000.
The VERY FIRST thing I did on my very first XP install was find and turn off all the pretty features. They actually had a radio button for "optimize for performance" and the desktop reached win2k-levels of responsiveness after you did that. I am with you on win2k being the peek GUI experience, especially since thats pretty much how I ran my XP systems.
 
Even for a technical user. CLI is great for certain things sure, but I’d challenge Verault to use the Linux terminal as his desktop for a week for as much as is possible. Both working in tandem is probably for the best.
 
That’s a good point.
The net-loss for the economy for the forced introduction of the ribbon interface is estimated in the billions of dollars. Billions. With a B. Its hard to find specific examples of poor UI designs that cost the world that much.
 
Even for a technical user. CLI is great for certain things sure, but I’d challenge Verault to use the Linux terminal as his desktop for a week for as much as is possible. Both working in tandem is probably for the best.
Well things are heading that way regardless. Granted im rusty with lots of things because I was using it more more regularly back in the 20 Teens.. Ill get back to that again when its my only option. Im not afraid.. It whats going to happen.
 
Even for a technical user. CLI is great for certain things sure, but I’d challenge Verault to use the Linux terminal as his desktop for a week for as much as is possible. Both working in tandem is probably for the best.
I have several coworkers who do this on the regular. And a lot more who use email in a GUI and live the entire rest of their working lives in CLI.
 
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