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360kb floppy in modern pc: part 2

Could someone explain the "terminator pack" thing in a bit more detail? I'm really not familiar with 5.25" drive interfacing, but I am fairly handy with electronics if I have the proper info. I will try blocking pin 34 tomorrow and see how it goes!
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I'll try: Since you can have several drives in parallel, you can't have one drive pulling a signal low while another pulls the same line high, so the drivers for these lines are what's called "open collector". That means that any drive (the selected one) can only pull a signal line low like a single pole switch; all the unselected drives are like open switches, i.e. disconnected, and a resistor is connected to +5V to pull the line high when the selected drive "opens the switch" to send a high level (or when all drives are inactive). To avoid drawing too much current and also to avoid reflections when the signal gets to the end of the cable, only one drive would have these resistors on each line, and it should be on the drive at the end of the cable (usually around 100-330 Ohms).

If more than one drive has them installed, it requires more current to "ground" the line and it may not go low enough; if none are installed, there is nothing to pull the line high except the high impedance of the line receiver and it may not go high enough.

On the older drives these resistors were removable packs that look like ICs (although some, and many hard disks, used SIP packs which had all the pins in one row), and you removed them from all drives except the last one. Later models had permanently installed resistors and a jumper enabled or disabled them. On most modern drives they are permanently installed and enabled, but a higher resistance with different driver and receiver chips to match.

So, to make a long story short, if it's a fairly old drive you should probably have an IC socket with something in it that looks similar to but not exactly like an IC, and with numbers like 330 or 102 instead of a normal IC number, especially if there's only one drive connected.

Although it doesn't apply to most 360K drives, pin 34 was another thing that IBM did differently from everyone else at that time (along with the twisted cable); when it was used at all, it was usually a signal that told the controller that the drive was ready for use (disk in and spinning), but IBM decided to use it to indicate that the drive door had been opened (and tell the controller that the disk might have been changed).
Most drives that had this feature had a jumper labelled RY/DC or similar (Ready/DiskChg).
3.5" drives used it somewhat differently again...

Probably doesn't have anything to do with your problem, but worth checking. I'd try that drive in another computer if you have one that'll accept it.

Whew!

Good luck!

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Well I did find a SIP resistor pack right near the card-edge connector, and they measure about 660 ohms. No jumpers to speak of, aside from the DS0-DS3 set. I tried covering up pin 34, but still no luck. argg!
 
That SIP resistor pack will be the terminator. In my experience, the controlling jumper is usually labeled 'TM'.

Looking back through the posts, one thing hasn't been mentioned. Because you don't know the history of the drive, the drive may have dirty heads. In very bad cases, I give up on head cleaning diskettes and get results with a cotton bud (cotton swab, q-tip) soaked in isopropyl alcohol (used for about a minute).

EDIT: Doh! Didn't read the posts well enough. Drive still isn't even spinning up (post POST).
 
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This is getting frustrating! I've tried this 360kb floppy drive w/ a straight cable, a twisted cable, I've tried both cable types with the drive set to all 4 positions, and nothing will work! I even got sharkonwheels to just send me kaypro floppies, but they got sent to the wrong address (and evidently lost, somehow?!)!

Does anyone anywhere close to the NYC area have the ability to write some 360kb 5.25" floppy disks?! I really just wanna see this thing turn on at this point!



Someone LOST that bright-@ss yellow bubble-mailer?
How'd they manage that???

Tell ya what - send $12 paypal to me, and I'll do it again.
TROM Chip, and the 4 disks (shipping alone is about $5, bubble-mailer is $1.20, 27C64 is about $2-3 <for a new one, which these are>)

Dang - talk about fighting an uphill battle!!!

EDIT: Oh, and MAKE SURE the correct address is visible ON THE PMT! and remind me. and email me. And text me. ;)
turned 40 January, so Imay be slowin' down jest a tad...


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Okay, round 3: SharkOnWheels, I'll probably take you up on your offer, but I just saw your message today. Anyway, latest news:

I acquired what I believe is a 1.2mb 5.25" drive. I set my BIOS to 1.2mb, set the jumper on the drive to DS1 (out of DS0-DS3), with the floppy drive at the end of a homemade cable on the other side of the twist. I boot into DOS, still no luck. When I try to access the drive, the light comes on and the motor even spins, but I don't see any disk head activity (or hear it, for that matter). This one does have a lot more jumpers, including the following:
-"XT" (this is just 2 pins, and it has a jumper across it)
-"FG" (I think that's what it says...it's partially obscured. It does have a jumper across it though)
-"DCRY" (2 pins, but unjumpered)
-"ML RE" (2 sets of 2 pins, both unjumpered)
-U1-U4 (4 sets of 2 pins, all unjumpered)
 
Okay, round 3: SharkOnWheels, I'll probably take you up on your offer, but I just saw your message today. Anyway, latest news:

I acquired what I believe is a 1.2mb 5.25" drive. I set my BIOS to 1.2mb, set the jumper on the drive to DS1 (out of DS0-DS3), with the floppy drive at the end of a homemade cable on the other side of the twist. I boot into DOS, still no luck. When I try to access the drive, the light comes on and the motor even spins, but I don't see any disk head activity (or hear it, for that matter). This one does have a lot more jumpers, including the following:
-"XT" (this is just 2 pins, and it has a jumper across it)
-"FG" (I think that's what it says...it's partially obscured. It does have a jumper across it though)
-"DCRY" (2 pins, but unjumpered)
-"ML RE" (2 sets of 2 pins, both unjumpered)
-U1-U4 (4 sets of 2 pins, all unjumpered)
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Are you sure it's a 1.2M drive? Make & Model?

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