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Amigaz

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I'm planning to use a Panasonic cd-rom and a sound blaster pro 2 card as it's proprietory interface in my IBM 5170 but I don't have the cabke that came with the drive...are these wired in a special way or can I use a plan AT IDE 40pin cable?
Also do I have to use a special version of MSCDEX and cdmke.sya for it to work with a 286 cpu?
 
Amigaz said:
I'm planning to use a Panasonic cd-rom and a sound blaster pro 2 card as it's proprietory interface in my IBM 5170 but I don't have the cabke that came with the drive...are these wired in a special way or can I use a plan AT IDE 40pin cable?
Also do I have to use a special version of MSCDEX and cdmke.sya for it to work with a 286 cpu?
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Yes, an ordinary 40 pin cable will work (even if you have to use a 3 connector one) and a version of the drivers from that era or a little later should work fine.
 
modem7 said:
To get a Sound Blaster Pro 2 and a Matsushita CR-563B drive combination working in a 5170, I used version 4.20 of SBCD.SYS and version 2.25 of MSCDEX.

CONFIG.SYS: DEVICE=C:\CD\SBCD.SYS /D:MSCD001 /P:220
AUTOEXEC.BAT: C:\CD\MSCDEX.EXE /S /D:MSCD001 /V /M:15

The files are in http://members.dodo.com.au/~slappanel555/misc/SBCD_42.zip
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Thanks alot! :)

going to give shsucdx.com from FreeDOS a try first instread of msdcex but I'm not sure it'll work with a 286
 
I'm starting to doubt my Panasonic drive is proprietary
It's this model I have:
http://artofhacking.com/th99/r/P-R/60024.htm

The weird thing is that it has the ID jumper that they are suppose to have.
What do you guys think? is my drive a prehistoric ATAPI drive?

Why I'm asking this is that both the MKECD.SYS and SBCD.SYS drivers I've tried so far fails to recognize the cd-rom drive...or maybe a standard AT IDE cable doesn't work?
 
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If it's a CR-562 then it's proprietary MKE.

The attached may help.

mike

Oops; that one's incomplete - also D/L pan56xb.zip from following msg
 
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MikeS said:
If it's a CR-562 then it's proprietary MKE.

The attached may help.

mike
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Thanks but I already tried this driver, the install fails to locate any cd-rom drive.
I've tried this driver and different versions of SBCD.SYs and MKECD.SYS on both my SB Pro 2 (CT1600) and SB 16 (CT1740) without success.
When you google after my model you get some hits that it might be an ATAPI/IDE?

Are you guys sure an IDE cable will work?
 
No, the Panasonic doc states that it's proprietary.

You're using a 40-conductor cable, right? 80 probably won't work.

Here's part 2 including the readme. Note the special instructions for using the Sound Blaster!

m
 
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Why wouldn't an 80 conductor cable work? The pinout on the connectors are exactly the same, just with two wires going to each pin rather than one.
 
No, that's not quite right; the added connectors in the 80-conductor cable are all grounded in order to avoid crosstalk at the higher speeds, i.e. they go between and shield each conductor from its neighbours so that a signal in one is not induced in either of the conductors beside it.

That's not the issue here though; 80-conductor cables are all also cable-select cables. You don't have to set the drives as master and slave; instead, you set them all the same (CS) and master/slave is determined by their location on the cable (End drive=Master, and the middle one is the Slave). In order for this to work, special connectors are used (and that's why the cables are colour-coded): the motherboard connector grounds pin 34 so that the computer knows it's an 80-conductor cable; also, the middle connector does not connect pin 28, which is how the slave is selected.

In fact, an 80 conductor cable *might* work for an MKE drive; I've never tried it, nor have I studied the differences from IDE in detail. But just in case pins 34 and 28 are used, I'd avoid an 80-conductor cable to remove another potential problem.

For more info:
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable80-c.html

mike
 
MikeS said:
No, the Panasonic doc states that it's proprietary.

You're using a 40-conductor cable, right? 80 probably won't work.

Here's part 2 including the readme. Note the special instructions for using the Sound Blaster!

m
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Yep, using a 40-conduct. cable which probably almost dates back to when this cd-rom was manafactured...March 1995 which feels a bit late for being a propriatary drive.
 
MikeS said:
No, the Panasonic doc states that it's proprietary.

You're using a 40-conductor cable, right? 80 probably won't work.

Here's part 2 including the readme. Note the special instructions for using the Sound Blaster!

m
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Already tried using these instructions... :(
 
I'm going to "borrow" my Creative 2x MKE drive from another system and try which I know works...it's hooked up to a Sb Pro 2 to see if it's the drive that faulty, IDE cable doesn't work or both Sound Blaster cards I've tried are kaputt which is most unlikely
 
MikeS said:
Sound blaster port properly addressed, and CDMKE SBP: set accordingly?

Oughta work...
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Yep, both are PORT 220 and the config.sys lines I've used:

DEVICE=C:\DOS\CDMKE.SYS /D:SBCD001 /SBP:220

Or

DEVICE=C:\DOS\SBCD.SYS /D:SBCD001 /SBP:220
 
Have got both my CR-562-J and CR-563-B drive working with different drivers...seems that was the solution...more info will come which I think might be useful for others here in case they run into the same troubles as I did
When I got it working I used a "real MKE cable", I'm going to try an 40 conductor IDE cable and post my final results...
 
I can formin a standard 40 conductor AT IDE cable works.

For the CR-562-J drive I had to use CDMKE.SYS ver. 4.10

For the CR-563-B I had to use the SBCD.SYs driver I was kindly provided here
http://vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showpost.php?p=80208&postcount=4

It's a matter of fiding the compatibe driver for your model of the MKE drive
I first had the impression tht the version numbers of the SBCD.SYS and CDMKE.SYS were just updated versions when the versions number was higher but I was wrong..the different versions are for different models of the MKE cd-rom drives
 
Congratulations!

Interesting; I thought the same, that SBCD was just a later version. In most places the 562 and 563 are listed together, but I did notice that in the installation instructions for an SB-16 only the 563 is mentioned with SBCD. Maybe the suffix is significant.
 
MikeS said:
Congratulations!

Interesting; I thought the same, that SBCD was just a later version. In most places the 562 and 563 are listed together, but I did notice that in the installation instructions for an SB-16 only the 563 is mentioned with SBCD. Maybe the suffix is significant.
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Yep, this is the "sport" when working with these old things...you really exercise
your brain :cool:

It takes quite some time for the driver to load for the CR-562-J compared to the CR-563-B
 
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