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KayPro II CoPwr Disks in Single Sided Double Density - Do they exist anymore?

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cj7hawk

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Hi All,

Does anyone know of any SSDD CoPwr (8088 Coprocessor) disk images exist anywhere?

The Kaypro II has Single Sided disk drives and won't take the Double Sided images.

Kind Regards
David
 
David,
The files I have are from a Kaypro 10 and are 2 Heads. I have the following files:

Code: 
Hard disk is divided into Drive A and Drive B
with user levels

DRIVE "A"

kay10a0s.imd  User 0   System Disk 1 of 2
kay10a0t.imd  User 0               2 of 2
kay10a1w.imd  User 1   WS 3.d
kay10a2m.imd  User 2   MicroPlan
kay10a3o.imd  User 3   MBASIC, OBASIC
kay10a4c.imd  User 4   CBASIC
kay10a5s.imd  User 5   SBASIC
kay10a7a.imd  User 7   Perfect Writer Disk 1 of 2
kay10a7b.imd                          Disk 2 of 2
kay10a08.imd  User 8   Perfect Calc
kay10a09.imd  User 9   Filer
kay10a10.imd  User 10  Filer

DRIVE "B"

kay10b0a.imd  User 0   Games Disk 1 of 2
kay10b0b.imd                 Disk 2 of 2

From the *.IMD files I have extracted the *.TXT and *.RAW (Sector Dumps). I have also used the *.IMD
files to create the *.SCP (Supercard Pro = Flux Image) files.

You should be able to easily extract the files from each *.RAW image:

Code: 
$ cpmls -f kpii -D KAY10A0S.RAW
     Name    Bytes   Recs  Attr     update             create
------------ ------ ------ ---- -----------------  -----------------
ANAGRAM .COM     2K     10    
ASM     .COM     8K     64    
BAUDM   .COM     1K      6    
BAUDP   .COM     1K      6    
BKMENU  .COM    23K    183    
CHECK   .COM     3K     23    
CONFIG  .COM    31K    248    
D       .COM     3K     24    
DDT     .COM     5K     38    
DICTSORT.COM     2K     14    
DUMP    .ASM     5K     33    
DUMP    .COM     1K      4    
ED      .COM     7K     52    
FIND    .COM     2K     10    
FINDBAD .COM     2K     16    
FLPYFMT .COM     2K     16    
GENFLPY .COM    10K     80    
HYPHEN  .COM     8K     64    
KP-RESET.COM     5K     37    
LOAD    .COM     2K     14    
LOOKUP  .COM     2K     16    
MARKFIX .COM     4K     28    
MASMENU .COM    19K    150    
MASMENU .FIL     7K     54    
MOVCPM  .COM    10K     78    
MUFBACK .COM     3K     20    
MUFDESC .COM     6K     44    
MUFLOOK .COM     2K     12    
MUFREST .COM     3K     17    
NOMENU  .COM    11K     82    
PIP     .COM     8K     58    
PUTOVL  .COM    10K     80    
PUTSYS  .COM    10K     80    
REVIEW  .COM     6K     42    
SAFETY  .COM     1K      3    
SPELL   .COM     4K     32    
STAT    .COM     6K     41    
SUBMIT  .COM     2K     10    
TERM    .COM     1K      6    
TW      .COM     3K     24    
WC      .COM     2K     10    
WINSTALL.COM    29K    228    
WORDFREQ.COM     3K     20    
WS      .COM    18K    140    
WSKP    .COM     6K     47    
WSKPCONF.COM    18K    139    
WSMSGS  .$$$    16K    128    
WSOVLY1 .OVR    33K    262    
XSUB    .COM     1K      6    
   49 Files occupying    191K,       0K Free.

If you want these files I can put them on my PCloud account.


Larry
 
I didn't mention that all the *.SCP files can be written to a floppy disk using
a Greaseweazle by Keir Frasier.

Larry
 
Thanks for the mention - Do you know what happens though if I try to write the SCP to a SSDD disk instead of a DSDD disk?

I would try it but it's late Sunday and the machine has been packed away for the week. I have the v4 Greaseweasel.
I am writing the disks on a 1.2Mb fdd, but get reasonable results from the Kaypro reading them. I did try writing the Kaypro 4/84 COPWR to a SSDD, but it just came up with a blank directory.

Thanks for any suggestions - They are all appreciated - :) And they definitely reduce the trial and (mostly) error.
David.
 
David,
You can't easily write the CP/M images to a SS/DD Diskette and make it function because the
Track 0 is side 0 AND side 1 for a complete track that has 20 sectors (10 on each side).
Code: 
Assuming 1:1 for Binary output
 0/0 250 kbps DD  10x512
      0   8   3   6   1   9   4   7   2   5  
      D   D   D   D   D   D   D   D   D   D  
 0/1  10  18  13  16  11  19  14  17  12  15 
 HD:  0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0  
      D   D   D   D   D   D   D   D00 D   D

But, you can use cpmtools or 22DISK to access the Images or Floppy's and save the files.
You can use a DS/DD Kaypro Definition and copy the files to a PC Hard drive. You likely
won't be able to get enough of the files on a SS Floppy to get a running system, unless you
have a Hard Drive.

You are likely going to need a DS/DD Floppy Drive to continue.


Larry
 
This sounds reasonably logical, though there must be a way to get the system running with SSDD disks, because the computer is configured that way and was very likely running previously like that, with only SSDD drives. I repaired the B: drive in case it runs from two disks, and of course, no disks were included with my machine so no chance to see how they did it in the past.
Also I think there are port-related issues with some older hardware leading to incompatabilities.

There are some good videos on Youtube I can review to see what is running and needs to run to support switching to DOS on the Kaypro.

Do you happen to have a COPWR board? It would be great to know more about how the whole system functions.

Also, I am not sure if the supplied DOS will accept SSDD disks for the MSDOS side or whether that's specific to the system using the card. I'm guessing that will be an interesting FAT related issue.

You may be right that the easiest way to go is to upgrade the Kaypro II to DSDD.

Thank you again for your help -
David
 
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