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Folks,

Another question - there is a cable, the BC80C that is for expanding the 8/E omnibus longer into an H9300 chassis. I was tempted to do this, because my 8/e has an omnibus section in the front, but the rear backplane section has no omnibus bussing, it's the plain wire wrap section with only power bussing for the loose single height special purpose M series cards.

I've always wanted to see the engineering drawing for the BC80C to make my own mini expansion backplane. Does anyone have that drawing? I have never been able to find it anywhere.

Thanks,
Lou
 
I've always wanted to see the engineering drawing for the BC80C to make my own mini expansion backplane. Does anyone have that drawing? I have never been able to find it anywhere.

Let me be the first to second that request :->.

I would assume the wiring is "straight through" and patterning from the M935 would work just fine. So an engineering drawing for that may be a reasonable substitute?
 
I infer that at the time customers preferred the 8/A front panel over the 8/E front panel; was this for functional, cosmetic, durability, cost, module-access, or some other reason?

8/E front panels seem to be "all the rage" these days (blinkenlights), but it's not so clear that was the case at the time ...

When it was introduced, DEC priced the 8/a somewhere around half the price of an equivalent 8/e and when I was buying these for the lab the DEC salesman pushed the 8/a variants quite hard so I suspect that DEC made a greater margin on them.

Regarding durability and module access, the 8/e won hands-down. After a few dozen removal/replacement cycles the 8/a front panel ribbon cables were near end-of-life and the little plastic nipples that hold the panel on soon died. Also, trying to debug a custom interface on the end of a horizontal extender with the front panel propped up on a nearby chair made for some awkward access problems to say nothing of the bother of trying to feed cables out of the rear of the cabinet when inserting modules.

Depends on the application I suppose, but in the lab I always found the 8/a to be a poor man's 8/e.
 
Hi Folks,

I have a fully working 8/A with 16K core installed, a quad RX8-E and an (untested) dual RX01 unit. I would like to get the RX01 working and use it for OS/8. Does anyone have a copy of OS/8 on 8" disks that they would be prepared to sell?

Another question: has anybody tried running an MM8-E (4k core) in an 8/A containing a KK8-E CPU (i.e. 8A600)? The DEC documentation I've seen claims that this will NOT work. Anyone know why?

Cheers
 
The 'major cycle interval' is determined by the logic design and implementation of the various different CPUs. In the PDP-8a logic print set are a couple of good timing diagrams of the minor state timing pulses, and what memory operations (read, write) are expected to occur during what timing pulses. There is a PDP-8e timing diagram as well, for comparison.

For the PDP-8e/f/m quad board set, the design of the bus timing is intimately tied to the capability of the core memory system available at the time. It basically determined how fast the CPU could run, as the PDP-8 does more or less one or two memory accesses per major cycle (ie, an instruction fetch read and a data read or write), or a data read-modify-write. The PDP-8 is basically a completely memory bound architecture (as are RISC based designs) but without a cache.

The PDP-8a is similar, it timing design is based on its memory system, and how fast the logic paths in its data/control paths could reliably run. I'm sure DEC would have made it run a lot faster if they could, but the restriction to one hex card, and the lower cost TTL logic of the day, dictated the 1.5us major cycle. I suppose DEC could have done a faster completely 74Sxxx schottky logic design, but it would have likely been power/cost uncompetitive in its design space.

Don,

Thanks for clarifying this. I took your suggestion and spent some quality time with Chapter 4 (CPU) of the 8/A User's Manual. My confusion came from a naive reading of the word "determine". Somehow I took that to mean "set" as in the memory sets the timing of the CPU when clearly the CPU is clocked by a 20 MHz crystal in the "Timing Generator". Rather, as you clearly state, the characteristics of the memory limit (i.e. "determine") the resultant cycle intervals.

I appreciate your patience - I'm slowly working my non-EE way through this stuff. Very slowly.

Jack
 
8/A with 8/E CPU

8/A with 8/E CPU

Hi Folks,

I have a fully working 8/A using an 8/E CPU (i.e 8A600). Does anyone know whether MM8-E (4k core) will run in this configuration. The DEC documentation I've seen says "NO". Does anyone know why the MM8-E will not work?

Another question: I've got a dual RX01 floppy unit which is untested, but thought to be ok. I would like to hook it up to the 8/A with an RX8-E and run OS/8. Does anyone have 8" floppies with OS/8 for sale?

Cheers
 
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