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Pentium 4

hunterjwizzard said:
There does exist a whole other class of pirates out there for whom "piracy" is not a "problem" but a pass-time. E.G. - a lot of the people actually doing the work to dump the ROMs, build emulators, crack encryption, etc, are not doing it as a means to an end but as an end itself. The act of figuring out how to get that ROM off that watered down tablet and then emulate the environment on PC is much more fun to them than the game itself.

For many people, DRM is like a mountain, and we are George Mallory.
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Exactly. These people are there for the technical challenge, not for profit reasons.

I mean the whole discussion is pretty moot until someone comes up with an example of software company, record company, a band, an author, etc. that got killed by piracy.
"We had a good business going on, then sales dropped because our users moved to pirate releases and we couldn't generate the same revenue anymore"

I haven't heard about such an affair. Unless there are some, we're talking mind crimes and hypothetical victims. If I pirate a movie you can't say I stole five bucks from you because that's the share you get out of a cinema ticket, cause going to movies was never 'an alternative'
 
3lectr1c said:
Sounds pretty similar to when us vintage tech folks end up spending 8 hours getting an old piece of hardware up and running just to put it on the shelf and move on to the next thing - the journey can often be more fun than the destination.
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Its exactly like that.
 
Zare said:
Exactly. These people are there for the technical challenge, not for profit reasons.
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Profit, if there is any, is only ever being made by the distributors, not the guys who do the actual cracking. In the modern digital world I doubt anyone is making a single penny off of ROM sites. More likely its costing them money, they do it for the love of the games.

I suppose you could argue that the guy selling a modded xbox full of ROMs on craigslist is "making money" but he's really selling his modding skills and hardware, he could delete the ROMs and make you download them yourself for the same price.

Zare said:
I mean the whole discussion is pretty moot until someone comes up with an example of software company, record company, a band, an author, etc. that got killed by piracy.
"We had a good business going on, then sales dropped because our users moved to pirate releases and we couldn't generate the same revenue anymore"
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Its actually quite a lot easier to name examples where the opposite happened. Jerome Bixby's "The Man from Earth" got pirated and widely distributed through torrenting sites, which resulted in the movie being seen by a lot more people. That movie pretty much only made any money because so many people pirated it that it raised the profile. People heard of it, they bought the DVD, and the movie was successful enough to get a sequel.

There are probably a few examples out there of the opposite. In the software world I've known of indie games that tanked because of piracy. Though I suspect they got stolen more than bought because the sellers made buying them too difficult. Not that I would ever admit to anything, but there exists a whole community dedicated to providing non-Steam versions of games. I cheer at them from the sidelines.
 
EverStaR said:
What is your idea Pentium 4 system and why? Are you a gamer, OS enthusiast, or other? Please weigh in with your dream ma Hine and logic behind it! I don't discriminate on your passion, tell it like it is for you!

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Honestly, I totally preferred AMD Athlons (K7 and K8, for the early and later Pentium 4) during that period.
Both Pentium 4s and Athlons are space heaters to be fair, but Athlons are more energy efficient and powerful.

(Side story. Back then I did quite a bit of video editing with my Pentium 4 laptop. I kept the laptop in my bedroom while it was doing the overnight video tasks. That was "free" heat for my bedroom during the winter time.)
 
h2ospa said:
Honestly, I totally preferred AMD Athlons (K7 and K8, for the early and later Pentium 4) during that period.
Both Pentium 4s and Athlons are space heaters to be fair, but Athlons are more energy efficient and powerful.

(Side story. Back then I did quite a bit of video editing with my Pentium 4 laptop. I kept the laptop in my bedroom while it was doing the overnight video tasks. That was "free" heat for my bedroom during the winter time.)
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I also went through my AMD phase during the P4 era.

I liked them because as a highschool/college student they were a lot cheaper and felt like they provided a ton of value. I was also really into the "pencil modding" scene(where you link specific pins to unlock better features). I had a pencil-modded dual athlon system for a long time(really wish I'd kept that motherboard now).
 
I was born in 93 and my second childhood computer was a Dell Dimension 3000 with Pentium 4 that lasted me well into my teenage years. The thing didn't even have AGP but it held on until 2010 or 2011 when my lack of knowledge at the time saw it die a heat death due to dust buildup. I have a soft spot for Pentium 4s having used one for so long and even managed to build a clone of the Dell computer having kept the original hard drive. I even built another using a white socket 478 Soltek motherboard and white GeForce 4 card in a plexiglass panel case as a novelty. However, I do not see them as particularly valuable to my personal collection and as I have gotten more into the hobby I have gravitated more towards custom built 386, 486, and Pentium/Pentium Pro systems with a sprinkling of 8088/286 stuff. I imagine as they become scarcer the prices will rise but they don't seem to have the same gravitas as older stuff even for me; someone who never used most of the stuff I own now having been far to young at the time it was manufactured.
 
reliquiolentus said:
I was born in 93 and my second childhood computer was a Dell Dimension 3000 with Pentium 4 that lasted me well into my teenage years. The thing didn't even have AGP but it held on until 2010 or 2011 when my lack of knowledge at the time saw it die a heat death due to dust buildup. I have a soft spot for Pentium 4s having used one for so long and even managed to build a clone of the Dell computer having kept the original hard drive. I even built another using a white socket 478 Soltek motherboard and white GeForce 4 card in a plexiglass panel case as a novelty. However, I do not see them as particularly valuable to my personal collection and as I have gotten more into the hobby I have gravitated more towards custom built 386, 486, and Pentium/Pentium Pro systems with a sprinkling of 8088/286 stuff. I imagine as they become scarcer the prices will rise but they don't seem to have the same gravitas as older stuff even for me; someone who never used most of the stuff I own now having been far to young at the time it was manufactured.
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Your post makes me wonder if I'll be nostalgic for Celerons in a few more years.

But yeah, by all means, collect what you like to collect and build what you enjoy building. This is a hobby. It should be fun.
 
Unknown_K said:
More than likely whoever had a low-end system probably wants to build the high end one they never had but wanted.
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This is what got me into it.

A high-end system from 20 years ago costs less than any single major component for a high-end system today and is just as much fun to build.
 
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