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Core2Duo vs. Pentium D?

Yes I'm also talking about non-stock coolers, but yeah. It took some years but I have an affection for all of them today.
 
Coolers were just aluminum with small fans for a long time. I remember getting a premium Thermaltake cooler for a new Athlon XP that was all copper and was impressed, it even had a decent fat fan on top that moved air.

The hot P4 era is where cooler technology improved by leaps and bounds, and you started seeing heat pipes and large fans. I used AM2 and AM3 systems back in the day and their OEM coolers could keep a FX 8350 cool if you didn't overclock while the stock intel I3/5/7 coolers were a joke.

Of course, Intel did its duty in the last decade to create CPUs that suck down 300W and need liquid cooling or 3 fans and a dozen heat pipe air coolers.
 
The cooler supplied with my 1366 systems was the size of a grapefruit. Grossly oversized for the actual power consumption.
 
Unknown_K said:
As far as I know Intel started making decent coolers for the core extreme series and LGA 1366.

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Intel has never made a good cooler, the one you pictured included.

You may as well remove the fan entirely because without a duct, that fan has basically zero static pressure and will barely move air through the fin stack. The fan may as well be attached to a brick wall, it doesn't have enough pressure to overcome the drag of the fin stack.
 
GiGaBiTe said:
Intel has never made a good cooler, the one you pictured included.

You may as well remove the fan entirely because without a duct, that fan has basically zero static pressure and will barely move air through the fin stack. The fan may as well be attached to a brick wall, it doesn't have enough pressure to overcome the drag of the fin stack.
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The way the fan fins are bent means it probably does move some air over those fins (higher pressure), but it is probably noisy. Newer fans need shroud's because they create little pressure and are optimized for low noise.
 
Unknown_K said:
Newer fans need shroud's because they create little pressure and are optimized for low noise.
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Low noise does not mean low static pressure, it just means the geometry of the blades are changed to reduce noise. Scimitar shaped blades make less noise than straight blades. What makes low static pressure is not having a duct to contain the pressure and letting it blow out the sides.

Any sensible computer fan design is ducted, whether the duct be the fan body itself, or the duct being attached to the rotating blade assembly. Intel is the only one in love with the ductless fans.

Yes, Intel fans are annoyingly noisy and inefficient due to the lack of a duct or shroud around the fan blades. I've built ducts for Intel fans using stiff card stock, and it drastically increases the performance of the fan, and it reduces the noise.
 
hunterjwizzard said:
Windows 11 does not run well. Its windows 11.

Microsoft has been STAGGERINGLY consistent over the years with every other windows operating system being trash. Let's look at it:

Windows 3.1? Wonderful.
Windows 95? Terrible.
Win98? Awesome!
WinME: Horrible.
Windows XP? Possibly the finest operating system ever created.
Windows Vista? Well, you were there.
Windows 7? No XP, but infinitely better than Vista.
Windows 8? Try Vista 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Windows 10? Was pretty great until the feature-creep got out of control a couple years ago, still serviceable.

The pattern here does not bode well for Windows 11. But, hey, 12 should be pretty deece!
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It seems fashionable here to bash W11. W11 is a modern OS and is designed to be used on modern equipment. When you attempt run W11 on one of your old dogs, it like bolting a 6-speed auto trans out of a Corvette to a Model A with a 4 cylinder flat head.
 
I'm not sure I agree that Windows 95 was terrible. It was pretty amazing when it came out. I remember installing it on my 486 and I was just amazed at how it detected all of the hardware and just worked.

I have issues with Windows 10 and Windows 11, and mostly it's because the free or even retail versions are all full of ads. You have to be able to get Enterprise or do some hack to get no ads.

EVERY version of windows since Vista has made changes just for the sake of changes, the the point where I don't even try to find most things in the gui and I just run the MSC or CPL command directly from the run box, which was also moved and hidden in windows 10 for no good reason. Windows 11 seems to be the worst though when it comes to changing the look of everything at the expense of usability. At least with some of the older versions, like XP, vista, and 7, you could put things in classic mode. The windows 11 right click menu is awful. Fortunately you can do a regedit to set it back to the old menu.
 
Agent Orange said:
It seems fashionable here to bash W11. W11 is a modern OS and is designed to be used on modern equipment. When you attempt run W11 on one of your old dogs, it like bolting a 6-speed auto trans out of a Corvette to a Model A with a 4 cylinder flat head.
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When you attempt to run windows 11 on a brand new, high-performance PC, it runs about the same as on an "old dog". The OS is sluggish and generally sucks.

My theory is its due to all the Microsoft-supplied spyware literally logging your mouse cursor movements.
 
jafir said:
I'm not sure I agree that Windows 95 was terrible. It was pretty amazing when it came out. I remember installing it on my 486 and I was just amazed at how it detected all of the hardware and just worked.
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There's certainly varying degrees of terribleness within the off-versions. 95 was definitely OK in terms of usability and introduced a lot of great features that are still great today, but it had some compatibility and stability issues fixed on '98 that made '98 so much better.

jafir said:
I have issues with Windows 10 and Windows 11, and mostly it's because the free or even retail versions are all full of ads. You have to be able to get Enterprise or do some hack to get no ads.
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Yeah its freaking NUTS. Ads every time I open a web browser are bad enough. I don't need them built right into the OS. I have an Enterprise version of 10 for exactly that reason.

jafir said:
EVERY version of windows since Vista has made changes just for the sake of changes, the the point where I don't even try to find most things in the gui and I just run the MSC or CPL command directly from the run box, which was also moved and hidden in windows 10 for no good reason. Windows 11 seems to be the worst though when it comes to changing the look of everything at the expense of usability. At least with some of the older versions, like XP, vista, and 7, you could put things in classic mode. The windows 11 right click menu is awful. Fortunately you can do a regedit to set it back to the old menu.
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RIGHT?!?!?!?!

Its like they looked at MacOS, said "let's copy everything we can without getting sued" and then let a 5 year old fill in the blanks.

10 is bad but usable with some tweaks. 11 is a complete failure on every conceivable level. I cannot comprehend the mind of a UX designer who would look at that and say "yeah. that's good. I would charge money for that."
 
hunterjwizzard said:
When you attempt to run windows 11 on a brand new, high-performance PC, it runs about the same as on an "old dog". The OS is sluggish and generally sucks.

My theory is its due to all the Microsoft-supplied spyware literally logging your mouse cursor movements.
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Not to be disparaging, but you have no proper insight as to what you speak. In my experience, and when properly installed, it is nearly equal in performance with W7, at least in the gaming arena. Take some time to learn how to setup and use W11 properly. I can speak with some authority as I have top end machines with both OS's.
 
Agent Orange said:
Not to be disparaging, but you have no proper insight as to what you speak. In my experience, and when properly installed, it is nearly equal in performance with W7, at least in the gaming arena. Take some time to learn how to setup and use W11 properly. I can speak with some authority as I have top end machines with both OS's.
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How's that koolade taste, Mr. Orange?
 
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