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Early VIC-20 Voltage Regulation questions

Don't fret, you can use a DC power supply (unless the AC9V signals are used elsewhere within the VIC20)!

You just use two of the full-wave bridge rectifier diodes and let the other two sleep!

Dave
 
Don't fret, you can use a DC power supply (unless the AC9V signals are used elsewhere within the VIC20)!

You just use two of the full-wave bridge rectifier diodes and let the other two sleep!
I mean, yeah, its going to "work" but even though you cannot see it, those two diodes will be trying to dissipate 2x the heat. You may want to check the actual part they used for the bridge rectifier. The original PB101's were rated for like 4A, so from a power dissipation perspective 4A and 50$% duty cycle, so 2A @ 100%. If the actual part is rated higher, then you are OK.
 
>>> What is the A/C used for? Is it needed on the user port for modems / WiFi modems?

I can't see it wired up to anything else on the schematics. Not to any external connector. The unregulated +9V is used by the cassette motor, but I can't see any use for the AC voltage.

Dave
 
>>> What is the A/C used for? Is it needed on the user port for modems / WiFi modems?

I can't see it wired up to anything else on the schematics. Not to any external connector. The unregulated +9V is used by the cassette motor, but I can't see any use for the AC voltage.

Dave
Hmm I believe the c64 uses the A/C voltage for the internal clock (jiffies). I may have to probe around on the board later when I get time and see if it's going anywhere, the schematic shows it going off somewhere but ... to what? maybe nothing.
 
On the bench I'm using one labeled as 9 volt AC but actually puts out 10 (no load), I also have another one I can use which is labeled as 9 volt AC but puts out 15 with no load. I haven't tried using this yet.
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Maybe this VIC's power circuity simply assumes a higher input voltage?
The old wall wart type adapters typically just contain a transformer and do not have a regulated output. They are rated for a voltage and a current. They will drop in voltage when you draw a current through them - so you can't really get a full picture by measuring the voltage at zero load. Typically they will measure high, but under the correct load they will drop to the correct voltage. All transformers have losses, but I think this is more apparent when trying to re-use the relatively inexpensive adapters that were designed for and provided with a specific piece of electronics in mind - and then trying to use that adapter under a different load.
 
The old wall wart type adapters typically just contain a transformer and do not have a regulated output. They are rated for a voltage and a current. They will drop in voltage when you draw a current through them - so you can't really get a full picture by measuring the voltage at zero load. Typically they will measure high, but under the correct load they will drop to the correct voltage. All transformers have losses, but I think this is more apparent when trying to re-use the relatively inexpensive adapters that were designed for and provided with a specific piece of electronics in mind - and then trying to use that adapter under a different load.

Yeah if only I could find that adapter that was showing 15 volts under no load. Oh well I went ahead and ordered the one off Amazon, if it works well I may modify my ray carlsen to use that as the 9 volt A/C source. That way I can continue to use this one power connector for multiple machines rather than having a big-mess-o-wires under the desk. Well it's already a big-mess-o-wires but at least it's somewhat manageable. As long as this new adapter wouldn't end up over-volting the C64 or C128, which it shouldn't if it's a regulated output.
 
Just a quick update on this, the power supply from Amazon worked fine and the VIC-20 is now working normally. I guess if anyone else needs a power supply for one of these early VIC-20's that's not a bad one to go for as 9 volt A/C supplies rated for 3 amps aren't that easy to find and when you do find them they're not cheap.
 
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