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Pentium 4

VERAULT said:
Enjoy VCFEast. Wont be there, but I’ll be at the swap meet in June. I’ll have to wait for the videos.
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Same here. We’ll have to say hello, then have a final showdown over the Pentium 4. Only one of us will survive. :LOL:
 
I will probably do the swap meet in June also. But I may be in Newport that week. Not sure yet. I hope I can make it. Never been to one yet.
 
3lectr1c said:
Same here. We’ll have to say hello, then have a final showdown over the Pentium 4. Only one of us will survive. :LOL:
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Ill win when I topple all the ewaste bins of pentium 4 era pc's and AGP graphics cards with swolen busted caps onto you. At the very least ill make my exit and it will take you hours to dig out.

Speaking of which since you guys like this stuff so much, I should really recap all my agp graphics cards and sell them. There must be a market.. Im sure I have at least a dozen. Im about to recap all my SAS cards (which were from about the same period) and sell off all my SAS stuff.
 
seaken said:
I will probably do the swap meet in June also. But I may be in Newport that week. Not sure yet. I hope I can make it. Never been to one yet.
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Newport? Stop by Benjamins for me.. Have some oysters, gande marnier, or a nice rib eye steak if any of those appeals to you. My favorite stop in Newport.
 
Eudimorphodon said:
It always boggles my mind when people describe XP as "snappy", because my experience with Windows since 9x, but *especially* with XP, is, yes, its UI is aggravatingly and randomly sluggish, on *every machine* I've ever experienced.
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When booting the dual Pentium II 400 today running Windows NT Workstation 4.0, I was decidedly underwhelmed at the speed, or rather the lack of it.
 
I think we forget sometimes how slow our GUI's were. I didn't use NT but Win95 and MAC were a dog. I came from DOS so GUI's annoyed me back then. Everything was so slow. The hardware just wasn't up to it yet. A Pentium II 400 was not really enough for NT 4. I have a P-II on OS/2 Warp 4 and it is barely tolerable. But Puppy runs fine.

Linux always wins the speed when I do my experiments. But not all Linuxes. antiX is always the fastest performer for me. Windows 2000 is always good on P-III and P4.

Seaken
 
VERAULT said:
Enjoy VCFEast. Wont be there, but ill be at the swap meet in June. Ill have to wait for the videos.
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Sorry I can't be there. I got to go to my first VCF this year and it was the most fun I've had in a long time. I'm actually toying with presenting at the next one.
 
lowen said:
When booting the dual Pentium II 400 today running Windows NT Workstation 4.0, I was decidedly underwhelmed at the speed, or rather the lack of it.
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Dont speak ill of the maiden that is NT4. The last windows I ever took certification for... She was damn near perfect.
 
VERAULT said:
Ill win when I topple all the ewaste bins of pentium 4 era pc's and AGP graphics cards with swolen busted caps onto you. At the very least ill make my exit and it will take you hours to dig out.
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Not before I dump a bin of burning hot fresh-off-the-motherboard Prescott chips on you!
 
VERAULT said:
Newport? Stop by Benjamins for me.. Have some oysters, gande marnier, or a nice rib eye steak if any of those appeals to you. My favorite stop in Newport.
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I've walked by Benjamins a million times. Never stopped in. I'll stop in this year, on your recommendation.

Seaken
 
GiGaBiTe said:
By the time of the Pentium 3/4, there were extremely few games that were speed dependent. The only one I know of that late was I think Lego Island. The majority of issues are dependencies on depreciated/discontinued APIs, or just plain bad programming. Emulating old APIs is a lot easier than trying to emulate cycles of a P3/P4.
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I'm not concerned about speed dependence in the "the game runs too fast" sense but in the "frame rate is unusable under CPU emulation" way, and hypervisors often don't emulate the necessary hardware. I think there are ways around that with API emulation, but I guess I'd prefer to install Windows XP on a Pentium 4 than learn all that new API emulation stuff because I'm stuck in my ways like all the ribbon haters :LOL:

I watched this video about the ribbon recently:
It sounds like Microsoft did a lot of research on how people used their UIs, and the ribbon is better for your average user. They said there were less than 1% of users who had done things like customise the toolbar - which I had, so I didn't like the ribbon - and when the presenter asked what some various things including mail merge and Visual Basic had in common, I could have yelled out that they're all clearly things that belong on the "Tools" menu, but I think we're just all the power user type here. Maybe we power users are all more likely to turn off their phone home features that they used to figure out what features people use the most, so their numbers are wrong. I think the ribbon and other ways that they highlight which actions are relevant in the current context are kind of useful when using features I don't already know, it's just that I already knew a lot of features and didn't need that help, but again, I think that would probably put me/us in the minority.
 
seaken said:
Linux always wins the speed when I do my experiments. But not all Linuxes. antiX is always the fastest performer for me. Windows 2000 is always good on P-III and P4.
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To be fair, the dual Pentium III didn't do much better with Fedora Core. Fedora Core 1 was far happier on my Sony Vaio PCG-FX Athlon XP 1400+ laptop, from about the same time period.
 
doshea said:
I'm not concerned about speed dependence in the "the game runs too fast" sense but in the "frame rate is unusable under CPU emulation" way, and hypervisors often don't emulate the necessary hardware. I think there are ways around that with API emulation, but I guess I'd prefer to install Windows XP on a Pentium 4 than learn all that new API emulation stuff because I'm stuck in my ways like all the ribbon haters :LOL:

I watched this video about the ribbon recently:
It sounds like Microsoft did a lot of research on how people used their UIs, and the ribbon is better for your average user. They said there were less than 1% of users who had done things like customise the toolbar - which I had, so I didn't like the ribbon - and when the presenter asked what some various things including mail merge and Visual Basic had in common, I could have yelled out that they're all clearly things that belong on the "Tools" menu, but I think we're just all the power user type here. Maybe we power users are all more likely to turn off their phone home features that they used to figure out what features people use the most, so their numbers are wrong. I think the ribbon and other ways that they highlight which actions are relevant in the current context are kind of useful when using features I don't already know, it's just that I already knew a lot of features and didn't need that help, but again, I think that would probably put me/us in the minority.
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The ribbon is taking a perfectly working system and ruining it for absolutely no reason whats so ever.
 
lowen said:
There was a definite reason for the ribbon, and that was money. New training, new books, new software, new certification materials; all money.
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See that makes sense to me....


Want to know how much I hate the ribbon? I use the Paintbrush tool built into windows for so many small tasks you wouldn't believe.. As soon as they replaced it with the ribbon, I copied the old version and files back in. The ribbon hides everything I need. The ribbon panders to idiots, not intelligent people.
 
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