• Please review our updated Terms and Rules here

Simh and simlated 11/70 panel

tradde

tradde

Veteran Member
Joined
Apr 30, 2003
Messages
2,137
Location
Katy, Tx
I am curios if anyone on here has tried the Simh and simulated 11/70 panel that Jörg Hoppe posted about on Classiccmp. He seems to have
a Windows and Linux version. I am trying it on a Mac. The Java panelsim works just fine as is. I had to modify parts of simh as he did
but I have a newer version than he supplied. Also what he supplied had to be compiled to run on a Mac. I got that done but it doens't
quite work. RSX loads in Simh just fine. A few lights blink once, but nothing after that. Just would like to hear from others what they
think. It's quite neat.
 
tradde said:
I am curios if anyone on here has tried the Simh and simulated 11/70 panel that Jörg Hoppe posted about on Classiccmp. He seems to have
a Windows and Linux version. I am trying it on a Mac. The Java panelsim works just fine as is. I had to modify parts of simh as he did
but I have a newer version than he supplied. Also what he supplied had to be compiled to run on a Mac. I got that done but it doens't
quite work. RSX loads in Simh just fine. A few lights blink once, but nothing after that. Just would like to hear from others what they
think. It's quite neat.
Click to expand...

I am running Jörg Hoppe simulated 11/70 on Windows and Ubuntu. I had to sudo the startup script on Ubuntu but the Windows version worked fine. I did run it on my iMac but under UBuntu on a VMware session. I have not tried it native on OSX yet. The display is beautiful !!

Best Regards,
Mark
 
Matlock said:
I am running Jörg Hoppe simulated 11/70 on Windows and Ubuntu. I had to sudo the startup script on Ubuntu but the Windows version worked fine. I did run it on my iMac but under UBuntu on a VMware session. I have not tried it native on OSX yet. The display is beautiful !!

Best Regards,
Mark
Click to expand...

Doesn't yet fully work on my Mac. Had to modify Simh for the real console stuff. But something still is not right. The console displays and looks great. Switches
work. But no lights blink when I run the start script. Yes, you have to SUDO that. Still doesn't work. I am trying to trace down what doesn't work right to
fix it. Maybe it can't run on a Mac, but I refuse to believe that.
 
tradde said:
Doesn't yet fully work on my Mac. Had to modify Simh for the real console stuff. But something still is not right. The console displays and looks great. Switches
work. But no lights blink when I run the start script. Yes, you have to SUDO that. Still doesn't work. I am trying to trace down what doesn't work right to
fix it. Maybe it can't run on a Mac, but I refuse to believe that.
Click to expand...

Trade,
I agree it should run on a Mac, I'm on the road so not able to tinker on my iMac but based on your description above, I'd take a hard look at Java versions on OSX. The lights on the panel come from a Java script and it would be possible to have some incompatible Java system that would act as you describe.

Mark
 
Matlock said:
Trade,
I agree it should run on a Mac, I'm on the road so not able to tinker on my iMac but based on your description above, I'd take a hard look at Java versions on OSX. The lights on the panel come from a Java script and it would be possible to have some incompatible Java system that would act as you describe.

Mark
Click to expand...
Taking the makefile from the newer version of simh (has OSX support) I copied it to the original directory and compiled. It runs just fine, so I missed something
in the changes. Now I don't need to worry. Looks really good. Now I'd like to see a KA10 version.
 
tradde said:
I am curios if anyone on here has tried the Simh and simulated 11/70 panel that Jörg Hoppe posted about
Click to expand...

Oh yes. There's also a PDP-10. Ran on my windows machine straight from the download.

I saw his exhibit at the VCF Berlin last month.

He ran it fullscreen on a touch display, which was both very pretty and totally lifelike. So now I'm looking for a touchscreen display...

Oscar.
 
Oscar said:
Oh yes. There's also a PDP-10. Ran on my windows machine straight from the download.

I saw his exhibit at the VCF Berlin last month.

He ran it fullscreen on a touch display, which was both very pretty and totally lifelike. So now I'm looking for a touchscreen display...

Oscar.
Click to expand...

I believe he inludes a KI-10. The only 10 I ever used was a KA-10 at Penn State. I loved the panel.
 
Hi All;

Oscar, "" He ran it fullscreen on a touch display, which was both very pretty and totally lifelike. So now I'm looking for a touchscreen display... ""
Is this the same as what I have linked to above or is it a different program ?? Running this from a Touch Display I think would be Awesome !!

THANK YOU Marty
 
Oscar, "" He ran it fullscreen on a touch display, which was both very pretty and totally lifelike. So now I'm looking for a touchscreen display... ""
Is this the same as what I have linked to above or is it a different program ?? Running this from a Touch Display I think would be Awesome !!
Click to expand...

It's the same. It just allows you to touch a switch rather than clicking your mouse on it. But that makes a huge difference in how you experience the simulation. Hard to convey - but it really felt I was operating a KI-10. And that's with a real KI-10 front panel working right next to it. His screen was roughly the same size as the KI-10 (give or take) and without a frame, it just made a great impression.

Kind regards,

Oscar.
 
tradde said:
Taking the makefile from the newer version of simh (has OSX support) I copied it to the original directory and compiled. It runs just fine, so I missed something in the changes.
Click to expand...

Tradde, I'm attempting to follow in your footsteps (to run on Mac OS X) and having some trouble. Did you use the new makefile without changes? It seems that would not have included the REALCONS parts. I synthesized a makefile using the top half (the configuration rules) from the SimH git repository and the bottom half from the JH tarball. That seems to compile correctly and make a SimH that works, but I can't get the SimH and panelsim connected, even when starting with sudo (note the error in bold):

Starting panel simulation and portmapper ...
Wait 30 seconds for java/portmap to come up ...
Starting SimH ...

PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Beta REALCONS git commit id: $Format:
Disabling XQ
211bsd.simh_pdp11-2> set cpu 11/70 4096K fpp nocis
Invalid argument
Listening on port 4000
ETH devices:
eth0 en0 (No description available)
eth1 awdl0 (No description available)
eth2 bridge0 (No description available)
eth3 en1 (No description available)
eth4 en2 (No description available)
eth5 nat:{optional-nat-parameters} (Integrated NAT (SLiRP) support)
eth6 udp:sourceport:remotehost:remoteport (Integrated UDP bridge support)
libpcap version 1.5.3 - Apple version 54
Eth: opened OS device en0
MAC=08:00:2B:6F:75:55
Searching realcons controller "11/70" ...
Connecting to host localhost ...
Sep 30, 2016 11:01:04 PM blinkenbone.blinkenlight_api.RpcServer <init>
INFO: RpcServer logging started
Connect to host localhost failed.
211bsd.simh_pdp11-52> set realcons connected
Unit not attachable
REALCONS 11/70, host="localhost", host panel="11/70", interval = 1 msec, disconnected, boot image filename not set, nodebug, no server
Kernel image selection on boot:
On the ":" prompt, enter "unix"

70Boot from xp(0,0,0) at 0176700
: unix
Boot: bootdev=05000 bootcsr=0176700

2.11 BSD UNIX #5: Sat Jun 10 03:25:12 PDT 1995
root@pdp1144.intern:/usr/src/sys/SYSTEM

attaching de0 csr 174510
attaching lo0

phys mem = 3932160
avail mem = 3574144
user mem = 307200

June 10 14:26:27 init: configure system

dz 0 csr 160100 vector 300 attached
hk 0 csr 177440 vector 210 attached
ht ? csr 172440 vector 224 skipped: No CSR.
ra 0 csr 172150 vector 154 vectorset attached
rl 0 csr 174400 vector 160 attached
tm 0 csr 172520 vector 224 attached
tms 0 csr 174500 vector 260 vectorset attached
ts ? csr 172520 vector 224 interrupt vector already in use.
xp 0 csr 176700 vector 254 attached
erase, kill ^U, intr ^C
 
slcasner said:
Tradde, I'm attempting to follow in your footsteps (to run on Mac OS X) and having some trouble. Did you use the new makefile without changes? It seems that would not have included the REALCONS parts. I synthesized a makefile using the top half (the configuration rules) from the SimH git repository and the bottom half from the JH tarball. That seems to compile correctly and make a SimH that works, but I can't get the SimH and panelsim connected, even when starting with sudo (note the error in bold):
Click to expand...

I wish I could remember exactly what I did. That was almost a year ago and I haven't done anything with it in a long time. I have 3 makefiles saved off
one is marked original, one is the make I used, and one is labelled as makefile.realcons. Let me see if I can find the real original makefile and compare.
 
Thanks. Do you recall whether you needed to make changes to other components to get the connection between SimH and panelsim established? That seems to be where my problem lies. I have not attempted to build blinkenlightapitst yet; I made a simplified launch.sh to omit that step and a couple of others, but still start panelsim for 11/70 and pdp11_realcons as before.
 
slcasner said:
Thanks. Do you recall whether you needed to make changes to other components to get the connection between SimH and panelsim established? That seems to be where my problem lies. I have not attempted to build blinkenlightapitst yet; I made a simplified launch.sh to omit that step and a couple of others, but still start panelsim for 11/70 and pdp11_realcons as before.
Click to expand...

I am quite sure I did not modify anything outside of Simh and the makefile. I remember seeing that same error though when using the Simh
I had tried to modify and use. That's why I thought maybe I'd get the makefile and try it. I didn't really expect it to work, but it did. I no
longer have this code installed. It's out on my backup drive, but I am having problems with that right now.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top