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Slow Scan analog scope.

Hugo Holden

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Recently there was talk on a thread about the advantages of digital scopes, especially for slow events, because of the memory. I bought up the topic of storage scopes, like the ones Tek made and early types that simply had long persistence phosphors.
I powered up my vintage Telequipment D52 scope, it has a dual long yellow-short blue phosphor (equivalent to the American P7) with an orange filter over it, somewhat similar to those used in vintage ECG units.

I probably have not used it for some years, but my opinion is most equipment should withstand immediate power up, if it doesn't then parts, typically capacitors, need replacing. Though it is probably worth re-forming the giant uF range capacitors used in vintage analog computer supplies. They are getting more difficult to find.

In true style, due to electrically leaky electrolytic capacitors, the D52 spewed out a lot of of smoke. After I replaced some electrolytic caps with 1969 date codes and a cooked up resistor, it was back in business. Probably it should be completely re-capped , but it is somewhat awkward in this unit to remove the main board, so I replaced the defective capacitors from the top without removing the board, fortunately I have some very slim cutters to get under them and cut off their lugs. If I had slowly Variac powered it initially, the defective capacitors might have remained concealed, to cause trouble later. In the past I had to replace the EHT stick rectifiers and the EHT smoothing caps in this scope. You can see the new electrolytic capacitors in the lower right hand corner on the attached photo.

So it is probably fair to say, you have to be prepared to service these old scopes, they might not work every time you switch them on. I don't mind and I have the manuals.

I used the D52 to display a slow signal on a project I am working on, it has a period of about 400mS, swing positive for under half that time and negative the other half with a small gap in between of zero volts.

I have attached a video link. The phone camera makes it look a little more impressive than it is, but still the long persistence phosphor is very helpful:


 

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Thank you Hugo.....great presentation!
It would be a great prop in the background of a sequence in a
sci-fi movie 🤖👽 .

ziloo 😊
 
A good way to see one of these (or a variation) is to watch a few episodes of the old TV program "Emergency!"
For at time at CDC, we had the IGS (Interactive Graphics Systems) people in our building. They used the Digigraphic displays--large CRTs used in radar. The writing beam was a different color than the trace persistence. It was fun to watch them drawing on the big tubes.
 
..... we had the IGS (Interactive Graphics Systems) people in our building. They used the Digigraphic displays--large CRTs used in radar. ....... It was fun to watch them drawing on the big tubes.
Surprisingly as you mentioned it, I had come across a related article a while back:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...ds-first-computer-art-its-a-sexy-dame/267439/

By the way chuck......ehemm (clearing my throat)....is that you sitting and drawing the lassie ;) ?

ziloo 😊
 
Surprisingly as you mentioned it, I had come across a related article a while back:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...ds-first-computer-art-its-a-sexy-dame/267439/

By the way chuck......ehemm (clearing my throat)....is that you sitting and drawing the lassie ;) ?

ziloo 😊
Interesting use for a multi-million dollar military computer (probably even better than what it was designed for). It kind of reminds me of an episode of the Big Bang Theory when Wolowitz tried to impress his new girlfriend by letting her "drive a car on Mars" and the Martian rover got stuck in a pothole. It is amazing what people get up to at work.
 
Not me--it was the perverts in IGS doing that. Eventually, in the 70s, they were shuffled off to Minnehaha.
In-house systems were essential for development and support, so that billing for the use of them was pretty much a bookkeeping thing. Nobody said "You can't spend al night playing chess on a dedicated supercomputer." You could call it "testing" and it looked good on the status reports.
 
With the low resolution of the screen and the clumsiness of the light gun,
the individual who did the drawing was a very talented artist with steady
hands! Free-hand drawing is not easy, and I have tried to draw with
mouse movement with great difficulty. The choice of words in the article
about the IBM employees who did it was inappropriate. Pin-up calendars
were everywhere at that time, and being bored after hours and hours of
living in the computer center, that was the most natural way for the
fellow engineer to express his talent. My comment about the person who
did the drawing was out of appreciation of his sense of humor (as I try to
incorporate in all my posts).

ziloo 😊
 
With the low resolution of the screen and the clumsiness of the light gun,
the individual who did the drawing was a very talented artist with steady
hands! Free-hand drawing is not easy, and I have tried to draw with
mouse movement with great difficulty. The choice of words in the article
about the IBM employees who did it was inappropriate. Pin-up calendars
were everywhere at that time, and being bored after hours and hours of
living in the computer center, that was the most natural way for the
fellow engineer to express his talent. My comment about the person who
did the drawing was out of appreciation of his sense of humor (as I try to
incorporate in all my posts).

ziloo 😊
I don't know why people think a mouse is good for drawing. I used to do a lot of drawings and I always used a large ball track ball.
Dwight
 
I don't know why people think a mouse is good for drawing....

You won't believe when you have a presentation due tomorrow,
it is 2 o'clock in the morning, and every other drawing tool is
down & out........then you would even use your 🤬 if it could draw!!!!!

ziloo 😊
 
When I did the Light Pen Project, with my SOL-20, it was quite a learning experience.

I had to design the hardware from scratch as I could not find other examples of it for an S-100 machine.

Then I had to make the software, which was difficult for me, as I am not much of a programmer (I like designing with logic gates, wires, solder etc) and I made a "driver" in BASIC and 8080 assembly language, the latter being better/faster. I came up with the idea of using an illumination plane and a writing plane and switching off the illumination plane, after the hand drawn image was finished.

The actual physical light pen I found had a lens in the end, so it would focus well on the CRT face about 1cm from it. I never much liked the idea of dragging anything across the actual glass face directly.

I was then able to draw some simple images on the CRT:


 
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