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The longevity of vintage computer displays

TH2002

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In your experience, what types of vintage computer displays tend to be the most reliable: gas plasma, TFT active, STN passive or CRTs? Is it more dependent on the display type, the computer company, or a combination of the two?
 
As a collector of 80s luggables and laptops. I've had to repair a lot of all of these.
Also don't forget Electroluminescent and LCD.

I would say most reliable to least reliable would be:
CRT, EL, LCD, Plasma, colour STN, TFT
To be clear this is my experience with 80s portables. Is you go into the mid and late 90s TFT, ans colour STN became a lot more reliable.
 
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Some more in depth:
CRTs have been very reliable in my experience, of course there are oem's that had crappy capacitors on the analog board, but the technology is very reliable.

EL displays have been very nice as far as reliability goes. I can’t come up with a common issue.

Early LCD displays have been very reliable for me as well, (I'm talking about the old green lcd's like in the Toshiba T1100)
one problem with these is that you can get layer separation that shows up with age, looks like ink spots on the display.

Plasma, depending on the age is also very reliable. (The early panels had corrosion issues, like in the ericsson portable PC) (some of the last panels use smd caps that need to be replaced)

Early colour stn and TFT panels have been pretty unreliable for me, lots of leaky caps, colour calibration issues, and signal interference. Most of these issues were fixed after the fist couple of years. (About 1991)

This is what I would consider reliability issues.
There are also wear issues like burn-in. From most to least affected by burn in: EL, CRT, Plasma

And TFT and LCDs have CCFL backlights that can burn out and change colour.
 
Crts for the win by far. Just about all can be serviced including lcds and plasma, but, CRTs will out last the Sun after it goes Nova.
Caps resistors, wires all can be replaced as long as the tube and flyback are comfortable, you will get tons of time.
 
I would say most reliable to least reliable would be:
CRT, EL, LCD, Plasma, colour STN, TFT
EL has a VERY limited lifetime. Even when not used, the light the EL film emits goes down with age. Also, EL is just a way of providing back-light. It does not tell anything about the panel (which can be LCD, (D)STN etc.)

Fortunately, only very few laptops used EL. It was mainly used in PDAs and palmtops, whose display was legible even with it not working.
 
Yep, its the CRT.

It is/was a far more mature technology than any other display capable of detailed graphics and images and text. In fact the technology probably peaked in the mid to late 1990's before becoming obsolete, due to the depth of the CRT and its manufacturing costs.

Its not just computer VDU's, but other CRT's, scope ones that became so perfect and elaborate and were masterpieces of electron optics. If you get a chance ever, examine the CRT out of a Tek 2465B scope.

An awful lot of unnoticed highly advanced technology went into making CRT's, the art of glass work, metal glass seals, the phosphor technology (a whole science in itself) the metallurgy of the gun structure, cathode coatings, getters, the design of the electron optics and the list goes on & on. It took most of a century to perfect them, and then they were obsoleted by horrible flat screens. Most of the flat screen devices I have that are over 4 years old start to show pixel dropouts (the old I see dead pixels joke), like the Sony Bravia TV in my living room. Hopeless reliability compared to the CRT.

I have a number of pre WW2 TV CRT's that still work fine too. I would estimate a shelf life of a CRT as being perhaps 150 to 200 years. Daily use perhaps 15 to 30 years, depending on how well made, intermittent use, probably one human lifetime.
 
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I'm not sure I've ever had a display fail on me in use. I know a clone EGA display I sold way back when in 1990ish failed not long after it was sold. For most of my CRT years I was exclusively a Sony customer and they seemed very reliable. I've had some CF backlit LCDs last a very long time, might just be luck.
 
Mostly, when CRT based VDU's fail, it is hardly ever the CRT, the most likely culprit is the short lived electrolytic capacitor. Most electros are only rated for around 2000hrs use, good ones 5000 to 10,000 hrs, unless the designer foolishly cuddled them up to a heat sink and the life cycle shrinks. The CRT itself will outlast an electrolytic cap many 100's of times over.

An electrolytic cap is better defined as a "disposable" part, think of it like a small battery, but for the capacitor a terminal voltage that depends roughly linearly on its stored charge, unlike, for the most part, the battery where it can absorb a lot of charge with a relatively small change in terminal voltage. Otherwise, they have in common the propensity to dry out, & leak electrolyte, destroying everything in its path.

But the CRT now a "non renewable resource"
 
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EL has a VERY limited lifetime. Even when not used, the light the EL film emits goes down with age. Also, EL is just a way of providing back-light. It does not tell anything about the panel (which can be LCD, (D)STN etc.)

Fortunately, only very few laptops used EL. It was mainly used in PDAs and palmtops, whose display was legible even with it not working.
Ohh I know EL backlights are not reliable. I was talking about display technology's not backlight technology.
Like the the EL display in machines like the GRiD compass, data general One (EL model). Dynamac EL, Informer 213. Etc.

These are very reliable. They suffer from burn in like CRT's but I've never seen one fail apart from cracked glass causing the vacuum to leak out (like CRT)
 
I've started to see "LCD vinegar syndrome" happening more frequently than I'd like. While it can be repaired by replacing the polarizing films, it's difficult to do without damaging anything else, and almost impossible to avoid introducing defects like dust and air bubbles.

Plasma displays seem to be fairly reliable with no shelf life problems yet, but they were only popular in PCs for a short time, so spares are not plentiful. They also rely on custom ICs that will be impossible to replace.

As others have said, CRTs are by far the most reliable for the long term. The tube itself has an unlimited shelf life unless there's a defective seal. Even things like flyback transformers wouldn't be impossible to replicate in the future.

I'm confident that there will still be working CRT displays 100+ years from now. That's not really a bold prediction when you consider that there are lots of 100 year old vacuum tubes that still work today.
 
The tube itself has an unlimited shelf life unless there's a defective seal. Even things like flyback transformers wouldn't be impossible to replicate in the future.

They of course don't have an unlimited *service* life, given the inevitable degradation of parts like the electron guns, heaters, and phosphor burn-in, but sure, treated gently I think it's very possible we'll have working CRTs well into the 22nd Century. And given the fact that monochrome CRTs can be built with essentially 19th century technology it might not be beyond the realm of possibility that if someone really wanted to they could set up shop to blow some new ones someday. There's a bit more there than setting up a blacksmith shop, but not many orders of magnitude so.

Like the the EL display in machines like the GRiD compass, data general One (EL model). Dynamac EL, Informer 213. Etc.

These are very reliable. They suffer from burn in like CRT's but I've never seen one fail apart from cracked glass causing the vacuum to leak out (like CRT)

There are still companies making these displays, specifically for ruggedized industrial applications. A major advantage they have over LCDs is they're hardly affected by heat or cold; this is a serious consideration for things like shipboard and avionics displays. Last thing you want to find out after landing your LC-130 at McMurdo Station is that none of your flight computer displays work anymore after leaving the plane shut off for an hour.

Whether the ones back from the 80's that were made cheap enough to be sold in (still very expensive) laptops can meet those levels of reliability is probably an open question. They're so rare I don't know if I've ever seen one in the flesh.

Plasma displays seem to be fairly reliable with no shelf life problems yet, but they were only popular in PCs for a short time, so spares are not plentiful. They also rely on custom ICs that will be impossible to replace.

Maybe they last okay on a shelf, but it seems like it's not at all uncommon for plasma screens in computers to have problems? Seems like it's actually kind of rare to see a Compaq Portable III or PS/2 Model P70 that doesn't have some kind of damage.


Early LCD displays have been very reliable for me as well, (I'm talking about the old green lcd's like in the Toshiba T1100)

LCDs are *very* sensitive to being stored incorrectly. If you find an old laptop that's spent twenty years in a non-climate-controlled warehouse or something there's a really good chance the screen is going to be damaged somehow. Manufacturing techniques for big LCDs were also still in their infancy in the 1980's, so there is a lot of hit-and-miss when it comes to issues like air penetration, contamination, etc. Ultimately I think the biggest weakness for LCDs going forward is going to be the plastic components. You have polymer-based polarizing sheets and glues which just aren't going to be as stable as the glass envelope of a CRT, and most LCD displays also use plastic-based ribbon cables that are prone to embrittlement and (in the case of laptops) failure from repeated flexing.

FWIW, it's not at all unusual for old expensive CRT terminals which had protective glass layers laminated to the front of their CRTs (both for implosion and radiation protection) to suffer from "screen rot" as the glue between those two layers goes to heck, so issues with unstable materials are definitely not just an LCD issue.
 
Nothing has an unlimited service life, but that's not really an issue. CRTs have a typical service life of at least 15,000 hours, and better specimens can last much longer. If only used for a few hours a month, or a year they will last almost indefinitely. I personally own some CRTs that are approaching 80 years old, and still working. I have no doubt that more modern ones will last even longer since glass to metal seals were improved over the years.
 
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