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Those handheld IC testers

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Lately I've been seeing these handheld multi-chip testers show up for sale from Asia and I have been in the market for a tester.

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They seem to normally sell for $60-$90 depending on who you buy from and they all list as supporting most of the common discrete chip types in TTL and CMOS voltages through both manual and automatic selection. Doesn't list ram but that's not something I'm interested in right now. The first time I tried one I paid $75 and they ran with the money so before I try again I'm wondering if anyone on the forum has first-hand experience with them.
 
Neither of those answer my question. Pardon me below.
To be abrasive, the Retro Chip Tester is an overpriced* board that while not even being available with an enclosure (that's extra, which for a professional product with hundreds already sold is stupid) suffers from "The burger is $25 and sides are extra". I'll look at it again when it's available for under $250CAD with an enclosure, not $700.

The EEVblog thread is misleading, given how it's a bunch of discount redditors and professional electrical engineers who are not mainly focused on old computers but general electronics which can require a far larger range of components I know this will not support and the majority of their complaints is exactly that: the more advanced components are not supported.
That and arguing you should buy a Retro Chip Tester or one of several other products. Again, I want to get feedback on THIS product, not suggestions on other products I can buy.

The reason I'm asking here is I get a better idea if it's a viable product for machines from the 70's and 80's.

As for how much these used to cost, don't care. Six years ago I wasn't in the market. I am now. Hindsight is 20/20. Supply and demand sure sucks.
 
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To be abrasive, the Retro Chip Tester is an overpriced* board that while not even being available with an enclosure (that's extra, which for a professional product with hundreds already sold is stupid) suffers from "The burger is $25 and sides are extra". I'll look at it again when it's available for under $250CAD with an enclosure, not $700.
I am using a RCT for a while now and I really like it. It is specialized on really old and exotic chips.
There are some compatibility lists

Do you know any other tester that checks DM, DS, SNG, SP, Am, 8T etc logic series? I see over 1200 different logic ICs in the list. And the SRAM compatibility list is insane. Testing 3101, 3106, 74219, 6810, 2101, 2111, 2112, N8X350 and lots of more e.g. FIFOs ;) It tests so many ICs that I've never heard of before.
I bought it for approx 60 US$ (with cpu) plus shipping and costs for a few components. Even if it would be more expensive, the software is worth every penny.
Forgot, for a while now it also programs 2708 and 2532 EPROMs. which my TL866 doesn't.

But your use case seems different, so feel free to use the China Tester.
 
I am not paying 2/3 of my paycheck for a fscking tester I don't want.
I'm not asking about other testers. Stop recommending other testers. It only makes me hate them more.
 
I own both the exact model of handheld IC chip tester you pictured above, and the "retro chip tester".

There is no doubt the "retro chip tester" is the best IC tester designed for use by hobbyists. If you are doing a lot of work restoring, repairing, or building logic boards then you may be able to justify its high cost. Compared to the inexpensive handheld chip tester it (a) does a more thorough test and (b) it can test a considerably larger number of parts - which is why I ended up buying it.

Nevertheless ....you want to know about the less expensive handheld tester. I purchased that same handheld chip tester several years ago - and I still use it a lot because of its battery-operated convenience and yes "it works". For common basic TTL and CMOS logic devices (and a long list of analog devices) it will do the job perfectly fine. It does however have some limitations that one needs to expect given how inexpensive it is:
- the list of unsupported devices can be a problem. For example, there are many commonly used TTL octal line drivers/receivers and latches that it cannot test. Most of the complex TTL devices are not on its supported list.
- it misidentifies a few logic parts that are functionally identical but in different families, for example TTL vs CMOS.
If the list of devices it supports meets your needs my opinion (and the consensus of a lot of reviews posted on the internet) is that you will not regret buying this $50 handheld chip tester.
 
Thank you hmb. That indeed answers quite a few of my questions. I'll try buying another one and if this time it actually ships I'll try loading a bunch of random chips with known ratings in and seeing what the results are.
 
While I do use the RCT...

I mainly use this KT152 for 74 series logic as it's much smaller and more convenient. I did have one die on me after a few years but bought another exact same model. One battery, no fancy readout other than saying "Err" or whatever chip number you are testing. It is one character at a time but it's small form factor makes up for it. I've attached a file that lists the devices it will test.

 

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There is a product I saw while looking around last night. I don't actually remember seeing them for sale earlier this year but I guess I wasn't looking.
 
Thank you hmb. That indeed answers quite a few of my questions. I'll try buying another one and if this time it actually ships I'll try loading a bunch of random chips with known ratings in and seeing what the results are.
Since you are in Canada (as I am) consider buying it from Amazon - with free shipping you will likely not pay much more than buying it from somewhere else in the world, and you can be certain you will receive it.
 
I would recommend downloading the list of supported ICs and checking whether they meet your requirements.

For example, with the KT152 it is noticeable that only LS and HC types are supported (the list is actually only half as long because these two are identical). This suggests that the test current is limited (important for bipolar technology, it is not MOS). Standard TTL (without type code), ALS, H, F, 84xx, 54xx etc. cannot be tested.

Also important: 74H54, 7454 and 74LS54 are different ICs. Testers can usually only test the LS54. Unfortunately, the tests used are often incorrect. Many China testers use freely available lists from the Internet that contain errors. No manufacturer of this cheap hardware bothers to implement its own tests.

Anyone who repairs pinball machines will probably often have to deal with standard TTL, in which case the KT152 is unsuitable. Old arcade boards also often contain ICs from National or AMD, for which there is no equivalent in the 74xx types.

Should memory also be checked? A TL866 can program many current components, but cannot test DRAM and only standard SRAMs starting from 32 kbyte. Other testers can also test well-known SRAMs, such as a 2114 or 6116, but fail with an Intel 2111 or 2101.

The question is simple: do you buy three or four testers that can only test a few ICs each (and then together still not everything) or do you buy one tester that can test practically everything. Simply write down the ICs you are dealing with and compare them with the lists of supported ICs.
 
Generally I have not gone for the notion of " IC Testers".

In many ways, I learnt this from my experiences going way back, repairing Tube radios & TV's. And the fact that tube testers and Transistor testers existed.

How does that remark relate to IC testers I wonder ?

Well, it was pretty obvious to those repairing defective apparatus that any component under suspicion was in fact better tested; "in the circuit is was running in".

In other words, "testers" which exposed the component to other operating conditions than it was used in, specifically input voltage ranges and output loading effects, were in fact not as good as testing the device in the environment of the equipment they are actually used in.

(The classic "tester disease" here is the CRT tester. There is no better test a CRT's performance than testing it in the TV or VDU it was designed to be in, and inspecting the beam focus, contrast and brightness. No CRT tester, that just gives the gun emission, can come anywhere close to a real world test. Yes "real World" sounds like a cliche from the 1980's where the most over used word was "supportive")

In other words, you don't need a tube tester , a transistor tester, or an IC tester for that matter. You simply check the device in its operating circuit with the scope and confirm that, in the case of a logic IC, obeys its logic table.

There are numerous examples out there:

Some ebay IC testers for example report the 7425 IC as defective when it is not, but report the 74LS20 as ok.

There are also IC testers on ebay, that report some 4116 DRAM IC's as defective, when they are not.

Yet, the vintage computers they are used in don't make these "errors of judgement".

One reason is that the designers of the vintage computers, spent a lot more time studying the data sheets for the IC's (specifically memory IC's) and their timing requirements, than the designers of the ebay IC testers that thought it would be a simple matter to code the test protocol into an Arduino. I call these errors; "The underestimated difficulty level effect"

But, I'm not trying to be a naysayer here, with regards to modern IC testers. These might have a better role screening for defective IC's in the IC recycling industry. Certainly, this is what happened to Tube testers.

I would suggest exercising caution, and instead, if you want to test common logic IC's, use your own Brain, get out their data sheet, power up your scope and check that the IC in its operating circuit is working correctly, or not, before jumping to conclusions that there is something wrong with the IC because some tester said there was.

Also, when I see stories and posts where people have a faulty computer; the repair methodology they use is to un-solder multiple IC's, test them on a tester, in the hope of finding a faulty one, I cringe. It shows no effort to understand how the circuit works, perform diagnostic tests on it, formulate a theory as to what has gone wrong, and then create a targeted repair. It is like letting a Chimpanzee do the repair. Mind you, as the old saying goes, if you sit one down at a Typewriter and wait long enough, you will get the entire works of Shakespeare.
 
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The tester arrived and I promptly began evaluating it.

Initial impressions is it's not too small, the display is good enough for the simple text-based interface and backlit and it takes AA's rather than something like a LiPo and a microUSB port, so I'm not concerned about it being stored for long periods.
Using a selection of IC's in my drawers (16 assorted IC's and one IC known faulty) I found auto detection to be poor. Chips that are listed to be supported like the MAX232 or 4N33 failed to be detected, but would occasionally still be tested if you manually identified them. On a few other IC's it mis-identified them entirely. At least the 555's were a winner. :p

Since this is a clone of another project I opened it up to see how much effort had been put into obscuring the truth. The answer is none, at least for my unit The PCB is something very custom but well laid out. Every IC still had their chip markings clearly readable (including the 8051 MCU that drives it all) and the silkscreening was present, revealing an SPI header so in theory one could reflash it again with a larger list of supported IC's, improved auto-detection equations or better testing methods.

However as others had pointed out this is not a new product and while I can't easily seem to find the source of the original design and who made it other than reviews and discussions about it five or six years ago (and everything newer is people plugging the stupid RCT) there is no group or more recent developments to address problems in the firmware either using a custom firmware or reverse-engineered code. When the RCT or any of the other single-board chip testers came along it seems all interest was abandoned. I'm sure they are considerably more capable tools, but it's 2023 and you are selling an expensive test tool as a bare board with an enclosure as a costly extra. This isn't a KIM-1. My line on working with things that don't need an enclosure stops at my diagnostic tools and if necessary, I've taken drastic steps to rectify this in the past.

Overall my impressions reflect what everyone above and online said about it: It's a nice and quality looking product whose firmware fails to deliver both in component detection and testing and that alone makes it hard to justify the cost of $60 or more.
 
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