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Robbbert said:
None of my Win7 machines tries to harass me about updating to Win10.
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That's because Microsoft ended the forced Windows 10 upgrade scheme back in 2016, and removed all of the updates that force upgraded you. While that program was active, Microsoft issued dozens of updates, usually reissuing the same update numerous times to try and get around people blocking those updates from being installed. The only update they did not remove was KB4493132, which is the full screen nag message telling you that you're out of support.

And while Microsoft "officially" ended the free Windows 10 upgrade back then, they quietly left the program in place up until late last year, when they finally pulled the plug. But they did it in the worst way possible, they didn't update their Windows 10 install media to reject earlier Windows keys. So if you need to reinstall Windows for whatever reason, you can put your key in and it will accept it, but when Windows goes to activate, it will throw an error about an invalid product key. And their Windows 10 downloader also will still upgrade Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 in-place without telling you anything, and then not activate once the upgrade is complete.

Agent Orange said:
If you are running W7 via VM then that KB is probably for W10 and not specific to an actual W7 install.
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Uh, no. Windows Update does not show updates for other versions of Windows. That update is a valid Windows 7 update and installed fine yesterday.
 
GiGaBiTe said:
That's because Microsoft ended the forced Windows 10 upgrade scheme back in 2016, and removed all of the updates that force upgraded you. While that program was active, Microsoft issued dozens of updates, usually reissuing the same update numerous times to try and get around people blocking those updates from being installed. The only update they did not remove was KB4493132, which is the full screen nag message telling you that you're out of support.

And while Microsoft "officially" ended the free Windows 10 upgrade back then, they quietly left the program in place up until late last year, when they finally pulled the plug. But they did it in the worst way possible, they didn't update their Windows 10 install media to reject earlier Windows keys. So if you need to reinstall Windows for whatever reason, you can put your key in and it will accept it, but when Windows goes to activate, it will throw an error about an invalid product key. And their Windows 10 downloader also will still upgrade Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 in-place without telling you anything, and then not activate once the upgrade is complete.



Uh, no. Windows Update does not show updates for other versions of Windows. That update is a valid Windows 7 update and installed fine yesterday.
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I disagree. Try installing W7 stand-alone and see if you can get Defender to update. You will windup with not supported.
GiGaBiTe said:
That's because Microsoft ended the forced Windows 10 upgrade scheme back in 2016, and removed all of the updates that force upgraded you. While that program was active, Microsoft issued dozens of updates, usually reissuing the same update numerous times to try and get around people blocking those updates from being installed. The only update they did not remove was KB4493132, which is the full screen nag message telling you that you're out of support.

And while Microsoft "officially" ended the free Windows 10 upgrade back then, they quietly left the program in place up until late last year, when they finally pulled the plug. But they did it in the worst way possible, they didn't update their Windows 10 install media to reject earlier Windows keys. So if you need to reinstall Windows for whatever reason, you can put your key in and it will accept it, but when Windows goes to activate, it will throw an error about an invalid product key. And their Windows 10 downloader also will still upgrade Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 in-place without telling you anything, and then not activate once the upgrade is complete.



Uh, no. Windows Update does not show updates for other versions of Windows. That update is a valid Windows 7 update and installed fine yesterday.
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That KB you referenced dates back to at least 2013.
 
Agent Orange said:
I disagree. Try installing W7 stand-alone and see if you can get Defender to update. You will windup with not supported.
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Nope. Latest definitions update is from yesterday.
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Agent Orange said:
That KB you referenced dates back to at least 2013.
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It most definitely does not date back to 2013. The KB patch numbering counts upwards, and it was nowhere near 4 million in 2013, it still hadn't even broken a million yet. As an example, KB907747 was from 1/7/23

www.windowslatest.com

KB4493132 update to show end of support notifications on Windows 7

Microsoft is all set to end support for Windows 7 in January 2020 and the software giant has already started looking for ways to notify users about the upcoming changes. Microsoft recently confirmed it will display an end of support notification on Windows 7 to make everyone aware of the...
www.windowslatest.com www.windowslatest.com

It was added to WU on March 19th 2019. Microsoft has since obfuscated the update on their KB, so used them as a reference.
 
GiGaBiTe said:
Nope. Latest definitions update is from yesterday.
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It most definitely does not date back to 2013. The KB patch numbering counts upwards, and it was nowhere near 4 million in 2013, it still hadn't even broken a million yet. As an example, KB907747 was from 1/7/23

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It was added to WU on March 19th 2019. Microsoft has since obfuscated the update on their KB, so used them as a reference.
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Here's an instance where folks had problems with KB915597 way back in 2010. This KB is what you posted on a graphic back in #17.

I am unable to use Defender automatically because MS has ceased the update. A procedure does exist for manual updates:

How to manually download the latest definition updates for Microsoft Security Essentials - Microsoft Support

Describes the steps to manually download the latest virus and spyware definition updates for Microsoft Security Essentials.
support.microsoft.com support.microsoft.com

Seems like a hassle as one would be constantly checking.
 
Agent Orange said:
I am unable to use Defender automatically because MS has ceased the update. A procedure does exist for manual updates:
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It updates automatically with the click of one button for me. Have you installed the KBs required to get sha2 working? Otherwise Windows Update and likely other services like defender won’t be able to contact Microsoft.
I'm not sure why you're denying that defender is able to update when you've seen two people post proof that it can?
 
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3lectr1c said:
It updates automatically with the click of one button for me. Have you installed the KBs required to get sha2 working? Otherwise Windows Update and likely other services like defender won’t be able to contact Microsoft.
I'm not sure why you're denying that defender is able to update when you've seen two people post proof that it can?
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Are you using W7? If not, please read the thread from then top.
 
I have found a solution. I did a search and downloaded "Microsoft Security Essentials" Once installed you can do a manual update and scan.
 
No, that is Windows Defender. Security Essentials is not installed on that computer.
 
No.
This is a Dell Latitude E6420. I performed a clean install of Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit, Service Pack 1.
I then ran a handful of updates in order to get Windows Update working. This is required due to Windows 7 not supporting SHA2 encryption out of the box. As Microsoft discontinued support for SHA1 a few years back, you have to install a few KBs manually in order to add SHA2 support so that Windows Update will work.
Specifically:
- kb3125574 (2016 Convenience Rollup)
- kb4474419 (2019, adds SHA2 support)
- kb4490628 (2019, servicing stack update)

After this, Windows Update will begin working and the remaining Windows 7 updates can be installed. This same process is required to get Windows Defender to update.

Microsoft only states that you need to install the 2nd and 3rd I mentioned, however, I have found that Windows Update will often not start working on a clean install unless the 2016 Convenience Rollup update is installed. Said update installs all windows updates through around 2016, so it's likely that at least one update contained in the rollup is also required for Windows Update to work.

It is not reliant on any extended support program, it is not some unofficial fix, it is simply what is now required to get a Windows 7 system to contact Microsoft.

See: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...-devices-10b58bd9-5ba2-b23d-498b-139ce5c709af
 
Okay, I surrender. I guess that I'm the only person in the W7 that cannot automatically receive Defender update, This was always a given up to a few weeks ago when MS sent a pop the W7 updates have ended. Now, I'm using "Microsoft Security Essentials" (this box is a Ryzen CPU).
3lectr1c said:
No.
This is a Dell Latitude E6420. I performed a clean install of Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit, Service Pack 1.
I then ran a handful of updates in order to get Windows Update working. This is required due to Windows 7 not supporting SHA2 encryption out of the box. As Microsoft discontinued support for SHA1 a few years back, you have to install a few KBs manually in order to add SHA2 support so that Windows Update will work.
Specifically:
- kb3125574 (2016 Convenience Rollup)
- kb4474419 (2019, adds SHA2 support)
- kb4490628 (2019, servicing stack update)

After this, Windows Update will begin working and the remaining Windows 7 updates can be installed. This same process is required to get Windows Defender to update.

It is not reliant on any extended support program, it is not some unofficial fix, it is simply what is now required to get a Windows 7 system to contact Microsoft.

See: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...-devices-10b58bd9-5ba2-b23d-498b-139ce5c709af
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My box is gamer using a Ryzen CPU and there is a major problem with any updates. As this PC is primarily gamer, no updates are needed. However. Defender did work up until recently. Thanks for the replies. If updates are enabled. MS will continuously blast you with requests to up to upgrade to W10/W11.
 
You're far from the only one, anyone who hasn't run those update packages won't have it working either. Defender updates don't work on another computer I have that I haven't run those updates on yet.
And on the windows 10/11 update blasting - that won't happen. You'll get one pop-up notice that tells you your computer is out of support, then once you dismiss that it will never bother you again. It's not like on Windows 10 where it constantly bothers you about updating to 11 no matter how many times you tell it no.
 
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