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C64 ASSY 250425 BLACK SCREEN

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Good evening guys i have a Commodore 64, when i turn on i can see only black screen...i changed Vic chip but i have always black screen...i removed Sid chip but same....i removed both CIA ics but nothing changes..
Possible found fault with scope please?
Thanks so much!
 

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Normally the first thing to check is the PLA...if you have a good one handy to try, do that first. It is the only one you did not mentioned yet PLA chip has the most failure rate
 
Good evening guys i have a Commodore 64, when i turn on i can see only black screen...i changed Vic chip but i have always black screen...i removed Sid chip but same....i removed both CIA ics but nothing changes..
Possible found fault with scope please?
Thanks so much!
There are so many variables that can cause a black screen (Vic, PLA, SID, RAM, ROMs, support chips, etc..)

If you go to my YouTube channel (Reviving Retro) and filter the commodore repairs, you will find a myriad of black screen repairs with varying faults.

You have a scope, which you obviously know how to use - that's a huge help. This is a great site that shows you how to troubleshoot C64 with the scope.
 
😉...

Don't forget to check the /IRQ, /NMI AND /RES pins...

Also, how do you know that the CPU is actually doing anything at all?

Dave
 
On U31 PIN 10 i haven't any signal respect this image:
 

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I am desperate!
I have these good ics on board but i have always black screen:

-PLA
-CPU
-EDIT ROM
-BASIC ROM
-KERNEL ROM
-VIC
i also removed the two CIA and SID

If i insert a dead test cart i have always black screen...i also replaced 8701 ic and quartz....
 
It is a long shot but I came across twice or so in my repairs where no one suspects. The fact that the RF modulator affects the output of video, it sometimes the last thing I check cause you don’t see it visibly what happened underneath where the 470uf capacitor leaked and destroyed parts of the pcb which is in fact the video out trace.
 

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It is a long shot but I came across twice or so in my repairs where no one suspects. The fact that the RF modulator affects the output of video, it sometimes the last thing I check cause you don’t see it visibly what happened underneath where the 470uf capacitor leaked and destroyed parts of the pcb which is in fact the video out trace.
I replaced also the modulator.... But i have always black screen....
 
Have you checked to see what is going INTO the modulator with your oscilloscope?

You say you have a C64 - but exactly which version?

Head over to http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/schematics/computers/c64/index.html and identify which exact version you have.

From that you can locate the schematics and then the pinout of the modulator.

For example, on the http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/schematics/computers/c64/250469-rev.B-right-corrected.png schematic you have pin 1 as +5V, the case and pin 3 is 0V and pins 2 and 4 contain the (synchronising and luminance signal) and the (colour signal) respectively.

What do you see on each of these pins relative to 0V?

No voltage on the modulator = no output.

If you see something on pins 2 and 4 it probably indicates that the modulator is not working.

If you see nothing on either pins 2 or 4, you have to work your way back to the VIC chip.

You stated previously that you didn't see the correct waveform on U31 pin 10. But you don't appear to have chased that inconsistency down. If you find a problem, you have to investigate it further... What is the part number actually marked on U31? This part potentially differs on different revisions of the C64 PCB - so pin 10 of U31 may (or may not) have something on it...

You have to make sure all the time that the documentation you find applies to your particular machine.

This document: http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/...-C64C_Service_Manual_314001-03_(1992_Mar).pdf describes a number of different C64 variants.

Dave
 
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Hi Dave!
I have this version:
 

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