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Model I No Video

I have seen that before with a standard Motorola character generator. It is most likely the Video RAM. I have repaired 3 different Model 1's in the past with the same display as he is having. Just piggybacked another 2102 chip on each one till I got a good display. Then changed out that RAM chip. Just have to be careful doing it.
 
Don,
According to what is in the Motorola Document it is the same character set. But, There is no way to know 100% unless
both the MCM6670 and the MCM6674 are dumped and compared.

I'll email you the PDF document as it's too large to post.

Larry
 
Don,
According to what is in the Motorola Document it is the same character set. But, There is no way to know 100% unless
both the MCM6670 and the MCM6674 are dumped and compared.

I'll email you the PDF document as it's too large to post.

Larry

What confused me about the character generator sets being the same is in this snippet from Ian's post:

...

If your character generator (Z29) last 4 numbers are 3001 or 6670, then you do the mod Lowercase with Upper from Custom TRS-80

If your character generator last for numbers are 6673 or 6674, then you do the Radio Shack lowercase mod, from the same book.

...

Why use different hardware mods for the 6670 and 6674 then? My organic logic analyser doesn't appear to be working. :)
 
Don,
I wouldn't have a clue. The Lowercase Modification I did was purchased at the Dayton Hamfest, if my memory serves me correctly.
I don't remember exactly what I did back then. My board is a KSG Tech with an EPROM.

Perhaps Ian will chime in and state the differences and why the different Modifications depending on the actual Character Generator IC.

Larry
 
Putting in the homegrown character generator that came with it fixed the issue. It's fully functional now with lower case. I'm not sure why that fixed it though. Perhaps the 2102 was wired differently then the RS mod it looks like. Or other trace cuts, etc? IDK. Anyway its up and running thanks to all of the suggestions offered in this thread. To start with, it had the wrong voltages... fixed that. Then fixed the no video issue. Bitchen.
 
Don,
GOOD JOB! Now you can hang out your shingle for no video problems on the Model 1. You are experienced.

Larry
 
Don,
GOOD JOB! Now you can hang out your shingle for no video problems on the Model 1. You are experienced.

Larry

Hahaha far from experienced. I did learn some oscilloscope tricks thanks to your tutelage. I bought oscope more because it was a cool old Heathkit but it has now earned its keep. Back in my youth I built a Heathkit AR-29 stereo receiver. I had it for years. I gave it away after lugging it from house to house every time I moved. It was quite heavy due to the transformer and I had a better, newer, cheaper stereo to lug around. What an idiot. Wish I had it back. Well I did keep the assembly manual at least.

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Ok I'll try and explain the character generators without confusing everyone.

The 3001 and 6670 are industry standard character generators which mean that each character is in a specific slot. POKE 65H and you get a capital A, poke 97H and you get a lowercase a

The capital characters are compatible with how Steve L designed the video memory section of the computer, but the lowercase aren't Since the bit required to display them is missing, RS decided this was OK. If you replace the missing bit by adding a 2102, the missing corresponds with another slot on the character generator, so it displays a special symbol. You can add a gate and some wires to re-arrange the slots back to be compatible with the industry standard, and that is how DB-K and others get access to the lowercase characters already in the 3001/6670. NOTE, this was NEVER done by RS.

When RS decided they needed to offer a lowercase mod for the M1 they found that if you put the characters in non-industry standard slots, then you can get by just adding the 2102 chip. So the RS lowercase mod never uses the 3001 or 6670, they are removed and replaced with a 6673 or 6674. This allows RS to standardise the mod across all M1s. A fair number of late production M1s already have the 6673 and the 2102 Z45 is already socketed so if someone asked for a LC mod to that computer, the tech to do it as fast as I can make a coffee.

Clearly in Don's case, the 2716 Eprom has the code from the 6674 burned into it which is why it works with the simple RS 2-wire 1-cut piggyback mod.

Cheers,

Ian.
 
Ian,
I believe you meant to post "POKE 65 (Decimal) = 41H and you get a capital A, poke 97 (Decimal) = 61H and you get a lowercase a" for the characters.

Can you help us to understand which trace they cut and where it is located? I'd like both end points of where it use to be terminated.


Also, Do you have a HEX dump of a MCM6674 Character Generator with Radio Shacks modified layout? Does it match the Motorola Documentation?

Larry
 
I don't have an eprom burner any more. Are they available inexpensively?

Is the daughter board that connects the two dissimilar sockets a known entity? Or are we hoping to determine the mod manufacturer via the dump and track down the documentation that way? Maybe now a modern product exists to replace the daughter board, who knows.
 
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Don,
I've got a schematic of a board that Bart sent me that is exactly like the KSG Board that is in my Model 1. I can send the drawing to you if you want to
verify that your board is the same as the schematic. It doesn't take long to do, as about 1/2 of the pins are one to one.

I'd like th have the HEX dump so I could try it in my model 1, with a newer board that I create.


Larry
 
I ordered the TL866CS usb eprom burner from ebay today. When I get it, I'll provide the 2716 character generator dump. For grins, I looked online for those cgen1 boards from KSG Tech and couldn't come up with any... or any clones.
 
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