Should Pentium II/III Systems Have a Forum?

[3lectr1c]

If its not over 25 years old to the day.. its not worth being mentioned. And even then.. Pentium 4's are best left forgotten. Like Latin, and good manners..

Well, both of those are opinions and those are perfectly valid. I don't think everyone agrees with that though. P4s have their fans and their worth, as flawed as they were. Flawed /= should be forgotten IMO.

 

[Chuck(G)]

I recall when this forum was debating whether to include 80386-based hardware as too new.

 

[VERAULT]

I recall when this forum was debating whether to include 80386-based hardware as too new.

And look at all the riff raff who joined after that. Myself included.

Its been 25 years. Prepare for unforeseen consequences!

 

[Roland Huisman]

You can have a lot of fun with systems. For me that's good enough. And they will be called vintage in the future...

 

[krebizfan]

The earliest posts on the forum were about 20 years after the introduction of the XT. The current posts are almost 20 years after the last Pentium III desktop was sold.

I wanted the Pentium II and III to be covered because it seemed wrong to have AMD's best of 2000 counted as vintage but not Intel's best.

 

[Agent Orange]

yeah but society is de-volving even faster. This presents us with a unique opportunity to actually use our heads and make good decisions regardless of what the mainstream consensus tells us to do..

If its not over 25 years old to the day.. its not worth being mentioned. And even then.. Pentium 4's are best left forgotten. Like Latin, and good manners..

Latin is a dead language,
dead as it can be;
First it killed the Romans,
now it's killing me.

Quote from the inside cover of my 9th
grade Latin book from used book store.

Along with "In case of fire, throw this in first",

 

[Chuck(G)]

I don't know--there were some very decent P4 systems (like my Advantech 742). The problem is that there are so many unremarkable ones.

 

[Pepinno]

In my opinion, the "Pentium Subforum" should encompass all x86 PC systems post-486. There is no point of making too many subforums.

Also, on the topic of what is "vintage", I would say vintage is that which is not current. And, to me, in the computing realm, something only enters into "vintage" status when it is no longer supported by the current Debian Stable release.

 

[Agent Orange]

Sooner than you think, the so called vintage computers will become less available to the average collector/enthusiast as the market is depleted by the profiteers and take their toll. It's not unreasonable to give all classes of the Pentium that revered vintage classification in my belief.

 

[Caluser2000]

How abort Later 32-bit x86 PC only

 

[Chuck(G)]

That may make some sense, particularly for the non-Intel/AMD CPUs, such as the VIA CPUS, like the C3.

 

[the3dfxdude]

I do think if we have to have a place for the P4, it would be added to the "Pentium (2nd and 3rd Generation) Class Machines", making that forum a catch all to all the last of 32bit. Maybe the title can just be updated.

I still think the P4 is a modern machine, but most people treat it as old now.

 

[Chuck(G)]

I like the "late 32-bit CPU" category better. My Socket 754 systems started life as 32-bit, but with a CPU upgrade, suddenly became 64 bit, thus crossing the divide.

 

[TH2002]

As of now P4 systems are what I would merely consider "outdated". Old, but not vintage or interesting from a collectability standpoint - at least not yet.

Though the fact I still have a P4 desktop hooked up to the same monitor as my Windows 10 desktop perhaps clouds my judgement...

 

[hunterjwizzard]

As of now P4 systems are what I would merely consider "outdated". Old, but not vintage or interesting from a collectability standpoint - at least not yet.

Though the fact I still have a P4 desktop hooked up to the same monitor as my Windows 10 desktop perhaps clouds my judgement...

Consider - a lot of P4-era hardware still uses AGP slots and the boards have Windows 98 drivers available. At least a subset of retro-enthusiasts are interested in the graphics card specifically and not what type of CPU sits on the board. Being able to use DDR memory, AGP 8x graphics cards, and DDR RAM but still run win98 is attractive to a lot of people.

 

[VERAULT]

maybe we sont need a section so much as a bin... a bin we can fump thesr machines into.

AGP is something i have no fond memories for.

 

[hunterjwizzard]

maybe we sont need a section so much as a bin... a bin we can fump thesr machines into.

AGP is something i have no fond memories for.

Fond or not its an important era. If this is a hardware-centric community it must be considered.

 

[Unknown_K]

Anything single core is vintage to me now.

The P4 era is pretty long actually going from socket 423, to 478 and finally 775 spanning AGP to PCIE, RDRAM to DDR2.

 

[hunterjwizzard]

I know its fairly knew, but you could make an argument for anything XP and earlier being "vintage". Its the end of the 32 bit epoch, and there are plenty of games and other software that only run on XP or earlier. Everything from Vista on forward pretty much runs 100% on windows 10.

 

[VERAULT]

Fond or not its an important era.

explain to me how its important? specifically how its more important than the era before ot after it. its the definition of mediocre... when the price and quality bottomed out and everything was just the opposite of special....

Its like saying we need to fondly remember the cars made durring the gas crisis when they are better left forgotten... unless that is you like 4 cylinder mustangs..