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The quest for the best cleaner formula for... floppies

Jackson

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It's this same old topic again. We all appear to recommend basic alcohol solutions from the convenience store, but nothing appears to come well out of it.

I tried 70% isopropyl alcohol on a sacrificial 3.5" disk that was in perfect condition. Half of the binder seemed to have disintegrated, and the disk could no longer be formatted in Windows. It was a few gentle swipes. The flux scan from my SuperCard Pro had worried me enough. I'm tired of having to deal with hasty solutions.

Al Kossow had redirected me to an alternative that was no longer available: whiteboard cleaner from before the mid-2010's. The brands selling whiteboard cleaners switched to "green," "plant-based," etc. formulas which have an ineffective ingredient solution. The last of the brands selling the old formula, such as Quartet, have all switched now.

This is the old formula for Quartet cleaners, circa '03:

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How the ether, benzyl, trisodium phosphate, and the polytergent manage come into play, I wouldn't know.

Since then, there have been no ideal replacements. The best alternatives I have in my hand are Office Depot screen cleaner from circa '2002, which appears to be mostly water with slight isopropyl-- not benzyl-- alcohol and a bit of glycol ether. It has a blue color and smells fruity. It will not completely remove the mold, but it will successfully neutralize it enough to avoid disk from being scraped by the heads. So far, no oxide appears to have came off in any of my cleaning sessions with it.

Simple Green, diluted to a 1:20 water to formula ratio, is my fallback. It's less effective and will damage the media if you scrape it too hard, but it has shown some success; and even then, you may end up still damaging a few sectors. Just like the the screen cleaner mentioned above, Simple Green will only be able to neutralize the mold.

Another significant problem with the formulas, even with 70% isopropyl alcohol, is that they leave stains if you don't wipe the disk in a precise manner. You then have to wipe the whole disk again. Sadly, there is no solution to remedy this without purchasing an industrial sucker. I have a couple of sunglass 'towel' microfiber cloths that appear to be better than cotton swabs at not leaving stains, but it still happens. Best to buy a better brand of microfiber cloth.

Is it possible that a homemade formula can be concocted with little need of sourcing old stock or industrial inventories? Surely, there could be a way.
 
the old thread from 2017

the msds https://web.archive.org/web/20061031215351/http://hazard.com/msds/f2/bsv/bsvrv.html

essentially the same as quartet

Item Description Information
=======================================================
Item Manager: S9G
Item Name: CLEANING SOLUTION,MARKERBOARD
Specification Number: NK
Type/Grade/Class: NK
Unit of Issue: BX
Quantitative Expression: 00000000012EA
UI Container Qty: 0
Type of Container: SPRAY BOTTLES
=======================================================
Ingredients
=======================================================
Cas: 7732-18-5
RTECS #: ZC0110000
Name: WATER
% by Wt: <80%
Other REC Limits: NONE RECOMMENDED
OSHA PEL: NOT ESTABLISHED
ACGIH TLV: NOT ESTABLISHED
Ozone Depleting Chemical: N
------------------------------
Cas: 111-76-2
RTECS #: KJ8575000
Name: 2-BUTOXYETHANOL (SARA III)
% by Wt: <20%
Other REC Limits: NONE RECOMMENDED
OSHA PEL: S, 50 PPM
ACGIH TLV: S, 25 PPM; 9394
Ozone Depleting Chemical: N
------------------------------
Cas: 26027-38-3
RTECS #: MD0906000
Name: NONYL PHENOL POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL
% by Wt: <2%
Other REC Limits: NONE RECOMMENDED
OSHA PEL: NOT ESTABLISHED
ACGIH TLV: NOT ESTABLISHED
Ozone Depleting Chemical: N
------------------------------
Cas: 7601-54-9
RTECS #: TC9490000
Name: SODIUM PHOSPHATE, TRIBASIC (SARA III), CRYSTALLINE
% by Wt: <2%
Other REC Limits: NONE RECOMMENDED
OSHA PEL: NOT ESTABLISHED
ACGIH TLV: NOT ESTABLISHED
EPA Rpt Qty: 5000 LBS
DOT Rpt Qty: 5000 LBS
Ozone Depleting Chemical: N



is an active ingredient in simple green, but...


Simple Green Concentrated All-Purpose Cleaner

Perhaps one of the worst because it undeservedly boasts the title “green”, this all-purpose cleaner from Simple Green contains 2-butoxyethanol, a solvent known to damage red blood cells and irritate eyes. Despite its “non-toxic” claims on its labeling, this all-purpose cleaner also contains a secret blend of alcohol ethoxylate surfactants; some chemicals in this family are banned in the European Union.

Even worse, the EWG notes that the company website instructs the user to significantly dilute this product when cleaning. Actually, Simple Green calls it “custom dilute,” as if it’s some fabulous product feature. Yet, the cleaner is packaged in a spray bottle that implies it can be used full strength, which means possible higher exposure to the toxic chemicals in this product. Awful.



NONYL PHENOL POLYETHYLENE GLYCOL

is probably an anti-wetting agent like photo-flo




and we all know about the phosphate ban, which takes out the last ingredient (tri-sodium phosphate)
 
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My success with whiteboard cleaner was a long time ago when I had a stack of very bad disks that I had to deal with, I had the bottle in my office that
I picked up on a Weird Stuff surplus run, and I just tried it to see what would happen. This was before Chuck and the cyclomethicone discussions and
that is my day to day stuff I use if I think there will be a binder shed problem

The thing you're trying to find is something that will remove surface contamination without damaging the oxide and binder.

I'm going to leave it at that, because whenever this discussion comes up someone will say "well IPA works for me"
Well, good for you, then.
 
If it's a matter of physical dirt, not oxide shed, distilled water with a bit of surfactant should do the job.
But at this stage in the game, binder failure is a more likely outcome. Baking can help short-term and of course, cyclomethicone when reading.
If you're trying to clean floppies for re-use, my advice would be to forget it. Too much water under the bridge.
 
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