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Should Pentium II/III Systems Have a Forum?

Should Pentium II/III systems have their own forum?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 6 28.6%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .
Star Office went through OpenOffice and then LibreOffice. I think both OpenOffice and LibreOffice still exist concurrently. I started with OpenOffice (after MS Office and Lotus Office) and then jumped ship to the LibreOffice fork a few years ago. I can't remember exactly why. Something to do with Oracle I think. I can't remember. But we use LibreOffice as our main office software every day in our small business. I do keep one installation of MS Office also, for compatibility with our accounting software.

Seaken
 
Yep me too. Cannot stand the ribbon. It was the death of functionality. Too bad Star Office went the way of the Dodo.
I get to deal with it regularly on outlook. There's a single button I have to hit repeatedly every morning as I sort my emails. The ribbon likes to completely at random change to a different screen so that the "work offline" button is under the cursor, then switch back. A couple times I week I wonder why I haven't gotten any new emails for a few hours...
 
How well does this thing boot XP? Cyrix CPUs are fascinating.

I have a number of Neoware thin clients using Via CPUs. I use WIn98SE on the C3; WinXPE came with the C7-Eden equipped ones (this one: https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/neoware/CA21/ ). Performance is adequate. Makes a nice little box; has COM and Printer ports as well as USB and internal VGA and 1GB of RAM. Used it as a mail server+DNS cache for a time.
I also have a CA22 with a PCI riser that allows a short PCI card to be inserted (I used a SCSI card).

Interesting widgets, those thin clients.
 
There are literally dozens upon dozens of videos with clickbaity titles in photos of young guys in their 20s and thirties clamoring and bragging to be able to fix these things I constantly have to remove them from my YouTube feed along with the same age group guys working on Pentium 4 machines with the obviously incorrect retro or vintage computer titles. So yeah plenty of people making sacrifices to the altar of jobs and the like.
Pro-tip: the less you use YouTube these days, the better. After having my channel since 2012 and being a regular user even before that, I finally closed the darn thing not too long ago.

The final straw for me was when I started to get those popups attempting to block video playback due to my usage of uBlock Origin, even though THEY THEMSELVES were the ones who made their site completely unusable without an adblocker (I use uBlock filter lists to clean up my search results too. It helps me find videos that would have otherwise been buried by corporate clickbait crap). And now, just a week or so ago, Google literally admitted they're deliberately making the YT user experience worse for users of adblockers, although users of browsers other than Google Crumb are also reporting the same issues even without an ad blocker. Good thing I've abandoned the sinking ship, my visits to YT are probably 10% of what they were two years ago.

I've found ways to circumvent the adblocker ban, but TBH it's not really worth it regardless - all but five or so of my favorite channels have either become inactive, their content turned to crap, or even got terminated in a few cases.

I recall watching a video from one of said favorite creators where said he believed that vertical networks were the future of 'You-Tubing' given how poorly run YT is now. And I think that would be fabulous - imagine if VCFED had its own video sharing site, dedicated just to vintage computers. YT alternatives like Odysee have long been struggling to gain popularity, but for YT alternatives dedicated to a specific audience/subject, I don't think it would be nearly as much of an issue since communities like VCFED are already pretty small and close-knit.
 
The main problem is just how large YouTube is at this point. You don't really have other options if you want anyone to actually watch your work. Also, video hosting is really expensive. I'm pretty sure YouTube has been operating at a loss for Google for a while now which is why they're trying now to add all this ad garbage. Are they big enough that they don't need YouTube to turn a profit? Yes. Do they care? No.
 
Pro-tip: the less you use YouTube these days, the better. After having my channel since 2012 and being a regular user even before that, I finally closed the darn thing not too long ago.

The final straw for me was when I started to get those popups attempting to block video playback due to my usage of uBlock Origin, even though THEY THEMSELVES were the ones who made their site completely unusable without an adblocker (I use uBlock filter lists to clean up my search results too. It helps me find videos that would have otherwise been buried by corporate clickbait crap). And now, just a week or so ago, Google literally admitted they're deliberately making the YT user experience worse for users of adblockers, although users of browsers other than Google Crumb are also reporting the same issues even without an ad blocker. Good thing I've abandoned the sinking ship, my visits to YT are probably 10% of what they were two years ago.

I've found ways to circumvent the adblocker ban, but TBH it's not really worth it regardless - all but five or so of my favorite channels have either become inactive, their content turned to crap, or even got terminated in a few cases.

I recall watching a video from one of said favorite creators where said he believed that vertical networks were the future of 'You-Tubing' given how poorly run YT is now. And I think that would be fabulous - imagine if VCFED had its own video sharing site, dedicated just to vintage computers. YT alternatives like Odysee have long been struggling to gain popularity, but for YT alternatives dedicated to a specific audience/subject, I don't think it would be nearly as much of an issue since communities like VCFED are already pretty small and close-knit.
yeah I am going through the daily fight with YT and Ublock origin myself. And I agree that the retro computer channels are all lacking severely at this point. What else am I going to do? Streaming is all garbage. I dont have Cable as there is nothing worth watching. There just isnt much quality of anything to watch anymore.
 
It's worse than eBay. I've bought stuff off Mercari and OfferUp before, there's other alternatives too. The main YouTube issue is how impractical it is money wise to run a video hosting platform. Not nearly as expensive to run a marketplace.
 
It's worse than eBay. I've bought stuff off Mercari and OfferUp before, there's other alternatives too. The main YouTube issue is how impractical it is money wise to run a video hosting platform. Not nearly as expensive to run a marketplace.
I have tried those alternatives. I found them to be the same as facebook marketplace.. ie. the lowest common denominator of people not interested in actually selling or having the ability to coordinate a sale. facebook has made the average joe a lead paint chip eating, drooling, useless nitwit of a baboon......
 
I have to agree, they've been the laziest of sellers I've seen. No description, bad photos. You can get a deal sometimes though. That doesn't seem like it would be the platform's fault though. I'm honestly not sure why sellers operate so differently between the two. I get it for Marketplace, but Mercari feels a lot more similar in function to eBay and you get the same stuff.
 
For those of you interested in further muddying the waters about vintage and retro, I present: the Intel® 945GV Industrial motherboard, A socket 775 with PCIe x16 and 2 ISA slots!
 
It's just amazing here it is on the cusp of 2024 and these people who sell these packable/shippable items for the most part will ignore you or give you a flat out no if you ask them to ship them to you (AND YOU ARE OF COURSE GOING TO PAY THE SHIPPING). How can these sub-humans still not grasp mailing a package? And today its easier than its ever been; they have stores (staples, fedex, ups) dedicated to having clerks hold these morons hands and doing it all for them... because they are afraid of the post office for some reason.

And im not talking vintage computers. I am talking everything. trying to buy stuff on any platform other than ebay is on par with trying to actually make your point to a phone support person from the far east....
 
Maybe it would make more sense to just use years instead of specific types of CPUs. "PCs from 1997-2005" instead of "Pentium II though 4". That would account for AMD, as well as the oddballs from Cyrix, VIA, Transmeta, etc.
 
Maybe it would make more sense to just use years instead of specific types of CPUs. "PCs from 1997-2005" instead of "Pentium II though 4". That would account for AMD, as well as the oddballs from Cyrix, VIA, Transmeta, etc.
I like it.


Not gonna lie. I'm just here to talk about old computers. So I'm enjoying this conversation.
 
Maybe it would make more sense to just use years instead of specific types of CPUs. "PCs from 1997-2005" instead of "Pentium II though 4". That would account for AMD, as well as the oddballs from Cyrix, VIA, Transmeta, etc.

A year range would work. Another way to sort them might be by bus type (1997-2005 would be *roughly* the parallel PCI/AGP generation, although technically the start point of it would be closer to 1994, and the last couple years of it start mixing in PCI-e slots, and have each of those bubbles encompass whatever CPU is lurking on that kind of motherboard.

... which, honestly, sounds like a decent compromise and would actually effectively kill one of the existing splits, IE, the "Pentium I" category. Just do this:

IBM PC/XT/AT and Clones (16 bit PCs, 8088 through 80286)
Early 32 bit PCs (386 through Pentium, ISA/VESA bus)*
Late 32 bit PCs (PCI/AGP/PCIe, pre-2006)

(* Most Pentium machines are PCI and the majority of 486s are ISA/VESA, but yes, there's gray area here.)

And it's covered in a reasonably coherent way until people start insisting that Core 2 Duos are "vintage".
 
And it's covered in a reasonably coherent way until people start insisting that Core 2 Duos are "vintage".
I can still "get by" with a later Core 2 Duo as a modern computer for light tasks. They're starting to feel their age, but they're not yet at the point of total obsolescence. Gonna be another good few years before I'd be ready to call them vintage.
 
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